To be fair, the security on Daystrom Station was pretty awful when Worf and Riker raided it!
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x07 - "Dominion"
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To be fair, the security on Daystrom Station was pretty awful when Worf and Riker raided it!
What war crime would it be to kill an enemy soldier who is cornered but hasn't surrendered (despite having the opportunity to do so) and so isn't a formal POW? Please be specific, would appreciate a link to a specific rule.
He was already a pirate at that point. A space pirate. So was Kruge, but not sure he knew that.
DSC booby trapped some war dead, to attack the enemy with once they were collected for ritual.
Fortunately not. If I intend a pun I'll make it much punnier, and own it immensely. In fact, I had to backtrack to find out which post I said that in.
Yes that was outrageous too. That and Kirk were unambiguously war crimes by contemporary standards, whereas shooting Vadic would have been far more defensible. I also felt very uneasy with the way Discovery nuked the Emerald Chain city ship on the way out which must have had a vast population of civilians.
I didn’t even get that far. I tried mine you, I really tried.
You can't have a warcrime without a war.
The Empire and the Federation were at peace.
That wasn't a war crime. That was survival against a hostile force trying to steal your ship and likely kill or at minimum kidnap you. Kruge was using brute force and had already murdered the innocent crew of the U.S.S. Grissom.
What Kirk did was sad in only one respect: it destroyed the Enterprise we'd loved since TOS.
What Kirk did was sad in only one respect: it destroyed the Enterprise we'd loved since TOS.
The problem with the space version of the Geneva Convention is that if you are not wearing your uniform, then you are a spy, and summery execution is "fine".
Changelings go to war naked.
So all Changelings are soldiers who are protected by fair play and treaty?
All Changelings are spies and fair game?
All Changelings are simultaneously Spies and soldiers since they can create or discorporate a uniform in moments whether they need to be a spy or a soldier, so shooting a spy in uniform is fine, since it's not really a uniform.
Kruge was holding Federation hostages, killed David Marcus and was going to destroy the Enterprise. Kruge had already killed a ton of starfleet officers on the Grissom. The klingons could have been beamed off the Enterprise but Kruge was too stupid. Kirk couldn't allow them to get the secrets of a federation starship.
kirk only used that as a bluff.
I mean technically there's also no such thing as an unarmed Changeling either. Even Vadic's own flashback shows they can kill with their gloopy body:
And previously on DS9:
And previously on DS9:
Strictly speaking, it was a war crime as it was a false surrender as a means to deceiving the enemy and luring them into an ambush/attack.
False surrenders are indeed war crimes.
War crimes are not dependent on a state of war existing. A more correct technical term would be a violation of the laws of warfare and combat.
It's a standing order though and doesn't change Kirk's willingness to use it, nor the fact that captains can use it and have in the past.
I mean technically there's also no such thing as an unarmed Changeling either. Even Vadic's own flashback shows they can kill with their gloopy body:
And previously on DS9:
Exactly, which is why this pearl-clutching and hand wringing over Picard and Crusher considering killing an "unarmed" prisoner is not correct...Changlings can turn their very body into stabbing, choking or otherwise more lethal attacks than what humanoids can do
Plus in order to kill her the forcefield would have to be lowered, and we see how well that went when it did.
Though of course shields are one-way, and so are the detention cells in the Terran Empire.
Shields are a little different than intership forcefields. Interior forcefields are always shown as blocking both outgoing and incoming fire.
