Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x10 - "Farewell"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, May 4, 2022.

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  1. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Admiral Premium Member

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    What is death to a living god? We couldn’t possibly comprehend it. We can’t even quantify our own death. The closest thing I could use to describe such an event for the Q is Ascension. Whatever that means…
     
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  2. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Admiral Premium Member

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    Wrong spelling.
     
  3. ToddCam

    ToddCam Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Hmm. The Savage Curtain script editor should have caught that error.
     
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  4. MrPicard

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    No wonder Jean-Luc looks so mesmerized… that must have been INTENSE

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    Maybe this is where that rumored son comes from. ;)
     
  5. Ghel

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    Yes (sort of). If you click on Ready Room under Picard, it only has up until last week's episode. If you click on Strange New Worlds and go to Ready Room, it is this week's interviews as well as a discussion of the Picard finale.
     
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  6. Harpsichord

    Harpsichord Commander Red Shirt

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    It wasn't as bad as the rest of the season.. 7/10..
     
  7. Mr. Adventure

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    Boy, I thought everyone was going to eviscerate this episode. I'm glad you found more to enjoy than I did.

    When did everyone become Wesley Crusher fans?:shrug:
     
  8. Galaxy

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    Picard: "The Prime Directive is not just a set of rules; it is a philosophy… and a very correct one. History has proven again and again that whenever mankind interferes with a less developed civilization, no matter how well intentioned that interference may be, the results are invariably disastrous."

    Wesley Crusher:

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  9. PicardHitbyTesla

    PicardHitbyTesla Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Just like Jeri Ryan in season 2
     
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  10. gweeps

    gweeps Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    In know it's been 20 years, but I do miss the way Seven used to speak.
     
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  11. Ghel

    Ghel Captain Captain

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    I realize that this was a rhetorical question, but I'm going to answer it anyway!!! I am a few years younger than Wil Wheaton, so while the adults at the time were unhappy with the "kid" on the bridge in TNG, I always looked up to the character as almost an older brother figure of sorts. I really liked him on TNG and am happy to see any recurrence of the character.
     
  12. gweeps

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    Before he said who he used to be, I thought he was just a middle-aged guy with a beard.
     
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  13. truthchampion

    truthchampion Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    My initial thoughts hastily arranged raise a number of concerns about the ending.

    How did Soong get back to the US so fast? He didn't have a transporter. He didn't even have a car. He's a 70 year old man in another country in the middle of nowhere. And they make it clear that this episode starts right after the last episode so it's not like Soong had a whole day to call a cab and get in a jet to get back.

    Rios had a line about the Borg Queen having access to the La Sirena's transporter but how does that help Soong? He wasn't in control of the Borg Queen. Do the writers not know that France and California are in different time zones? The lighting at the end of the last episode is the same as the start of this episode. So it's still morning in France, which would make it night in California.

    How the heck did no one bother to repair or block off that death trap basement in Chateau Picard for 300 years? Did Maurice Picard not think, "hey, I have a mentally ill wife and two young sons, maybe it would be a good idea to seal off that basement where there are a thousand ways to die."


    Why do they keep under-utilizing Tallinn's transporter? Tallinn could have just beamed Picard back. They could have beamed the drones away. They could have beamed Soong away. Rios was still a wanted fugitive in the United States right? He's in ICE's system. They even recorded everything he said.

    With his escape, he's probably in a lot of law enforcement databases. Also, Rios, Teresa, and her son are in France, they have no passports or money. How are they getting back?


    Wesley showing up was such a random cameo. There was nothing in Korey's storyline to even hint that she's interested in exploration or that she had affinity for that kind of thing. It came out of nowhere. Like the writers had no idea what to do with her storyline and went, "let's just put in a cameo."

    Heck, might as well have time traveling Dr. Bashir show up and have her join Section 31, that would actually make more sense with her being genetically engineered. If I'm understanding the Q plot correctly, all his manipulations are to get Picard to have that epiphany.

    The only reason he helped Soong was so Soong could hit Picard with a car and Picard would go into a coma and have a hallucination about his father and remember more of his past. Soong had to chase Picard through the basement so Picard can remember what happened to his mother. Because there's no other point to the Soong plot other than a Khan reference.


    And all the potential timeline changes are fine because it's all a predestination paradox. I guess he also cured Korey because he knew she was going to become a Traveler too. OK, sure, whatever. The season being a predestination paradox makes no sense because then Guinan should still remember Time's Arrow.

    The writers tried to BS this and said that because it's a different timeline then Time's Arrow didn't happen. But then in this episode, Picard said that the bullet holes were there so everything in this season was supposed to happen, which makes it the original timeline.

    Also, Q decides to spend his last moment with Picard instead of his son? Maybe his son is also dead? That anomaly was not in the center of the quadrant. It's just not. You can see the map and we know from previous shows what the quadrant is supposed to look like. Earth is supposed to be close to the dividing line between the Alpha and Beta Quadrant. The writers don't know what a quadrant is.


    Why did they do the "people can see things that are happening light years away with the naked eyes" thing again? The galaxy is not the size of a small town. You cannot instantly see something that is happening hundreds of light years away. Light is not magic, it takes time to travel through space. Not only that, even if you could see it, it wouldn't even be a speck of a speck.


    And they had Jurati reveal the big threat in the very last episode, only solving it 10 minutes just to set up the next season? What? Why? What were they thinking?


    Overall, this show is just so baffling. They threw so many ideas in without trying to meaningfully connect them or bothering to see if anything made sense. Season 1 had the same problem. The writers seem to even be aware of that problem but then they did it again and made it even worse this time.

    Have you ever seen Farscape? Watching Picard feels like having your brain scrambled by a Scarran mind probe. There are ideas and plotlines from previous Trek shows. You see characters that you know. But they act like different people. They’re put in nonsensical situations. Things from previous shows are brought back and used in different and inconsistent way. There’s no rhyme or reason in the progression of the story. Even the basic reality of the world makes no sense.

    Why do the descendants look exactly like their ancestors?

    How the hell is it morning in both France and California? There should be a 9 hour time difference. It’s like the writers are trying to drive you insane.
     
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  14. thribs

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    The whole story felt like it was built on premises from other tv shows. The organism Renee finds just sounds like the Protomolecule from Expanse and that touch neuro toxin Soong had was from another show as well. I just can’t place it currently. Luckily it works on Romulans.
     
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  15. Roald

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    So many questions…. I have one too: can’t you have suspension of disbelief for 50 minutes and just enjoy what you’re seeing…? God, I’d absolutely hate it if I would start watching anything the way you do…….
     
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  16. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    I've been lenient up to this point, but if you're going to quote from the SNW episode, use spoiler tags.

     
  17. NCC-73515

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    I just watched the new one yesterday morning on youtube - I guess much from last week was supposed to be shown this week, and someone at P+ messed up :crazy:
     
  18. Deks

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    In ST: Discovery it was mentioned that the Q hadn't been in contact with the Federation since the 26th century (I think)... in fact, well past early 25th century.

    So, I would imagine that it was just this Q who died... not all of them.
    I wouldn't be surprised if another Q (perhaps his son) was maintaining contact with UFP.
     
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  19. jackoverfull

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    There probably weren’t, he just said that to forbid the kids to go there. In our own old mansion in the countryside there are areas we were forbidden to go as kids. They were dangerous but probably not with thousands ways to die and we were gradually allowed to play in them as we got older, with our mother showing us year by year the entrances to secret areas.

    Not to mention the intricate system of crawltunnels that nobody got into in some 60 years, whose only known entrance is notably difficult to reach.

    Our grandfather DID seal the access to the basement, though…!


    ouch. Good catch.

    I guess Picard did beam back using it.

    you can’t do that easily.

    I don’t think that transporter has a way to lock on anything directly anyway: every time they used it they did it using the servo stick.

    Given how easily they hacked into the mission’s computer they probably took care of the databases.

    with talin’s transporter.

    i’m afraid the writers forgot about (“chose to ignore”) time’s arrow.

    you are thinking in too tridimensional terms.
     
  20. Ray Hardgrit

    Ray Hardgrit Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    One way to put together a song is to play one instrument, then rewind the track back and play another instrument over the top, and so on. Every instrument is part of the proper song, but the song's not finished until all the loops are done.

    Everything that we saw happen in Picard always happened in the Federation timeline, except for Guinan not recognising Picard. Once the team's actions ensure that the Federation timeline is inevitable Time's Arrow comes back into play (along with City on the Edge of Forever, Assignment: Earth etc.). With Time's Arrow back in continuity her scenes would be slightly different to what we saw, but the ending of this episode establishes that Guinan's really good at keeping secrets and she has been keeping things on track the best she could.