Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x09 - "Hide and Seek"

[timtonruben359]

Overall I enjoyed this episode, some of it was predictable e.g. Picard's mother's tragic fate and Jurati and the Borg Queen merging clearly set to become the Queen we saw in the first episode. My biggest complaint really is that this should've been last week's episode. With so much left to resolve, I feel we're headed to a rushed finale.

I have to admit I found the scene with Picard's mom to be a little graphic for my taste, mostly because I have dealt with suicide in my life and it is "tender" territory for me. That being said, the fact that a number of people on this thread and on SM refer to Picard's mother as "crazy" highlights the fact we still need discussions to continue about mental health. People who struggle with suicidal ideation are not crazy they are dealing with an illness that should be treated on par with other illness like cancer or other chronic and potentially fatal illnesses.

The reaction to this season is interesting. I'm not one to really get into these whole so-called "woke" political debates, but I do find it very interesting that the vast majority of negative (and by negative I mean total inane reaction rather than constructive ones) seems to be come from white straight guys. I think the underlying theme of trauma probably doesn't speak to the audience in the same way it might to fans who fall into "otherized" groups.

 

[gvn2fly]

That being said, the fact that a number of people on this thread and on SM refer to Picard's mother as "crazy" highlights the fact we still need discussions to continue about mental health. People who struggle with suicidal ideation are not crazy they are dealing with an illness that should be treated on par with other illness like cancer or other chronic and potentially fatal illnesses.

It may seem like nothing, but those suffering from mental illness seeing others call others with depression "crazy" could be a factor that prevents them from reaching out and seeking help...or could further impact their view of how the world sees them, leading to greater depression.

 

[Tuskin38]

Some BTS shots of the study
https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1520077505604075520

 

[Yistaan]

white straight guys. I think the underlying theme of trauma probably doesn't speak to the audience in the same way it might to fans who fall into "otherized" groups.

No offense but I saw in my own brother who's as Asian as I am that this "anti-woke" business that they use to boycott Trek (my brother refused to watch Discovery, he didn't say why but I know from his extreme religious fanaticism it was over Culber and Stamets and even Burnham--he booed a black attendee at 2015 Comic-Con who asked Stan Lee a question about increasing diversity in comics, with my brother claiming he was "fighting political correctness") is nowhere near limited to the white race. It attracts people of all races who like to think they are better than some other race (or orientation, etc.,)

And my brother isn't some uneducated hobo, he's a highly educated medical doctor. Frightening.

 

[cooleddie74]

Some BTS shots of the study
https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1520077505604075520

If you look closely Jean-Luc's childhood PADD has TOS Movie-style graphics on it, which fits in perfectly with the ca. 2315 timeframe of the flashbacks.

 

[Yistaan]

If you look closely Jean-Luc's childhood PADD has TOS Movie-style graphics on it, which fits in perfectly with the ca. 2315 timeframe of the flashbacks.

So just how anti tech was Maurice anyway? He won't allow a replicator but he lets his kid have a PADD?

 

[Tuskin38]

Some BTS shots of the study
https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1520077505604075520

There's a painting by Rich Sternbach in the study that was only seen once before in TNG Season 1
https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1520080246887833605

 

[ED-209]

So just how anti tech was Maurice anyway? He won't allow a replicator but he lets his kid have a PADD?

Perhaps he doesn’t want to disadvantage him?

 

[Deks]

Some BTS shots of the study
https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1520077505604075520

So just how anti tech was Maurice anyway? He won't allow a replicator but he lets his kid have a PADD?

From that shot alone, technology seems to be present... if at least in a minimal capacity to blend in with the environment.
So, the Picard's weren't 100% averse to technology... which begs the question, did they have an aversion to medical treatment or did Yvette and Maurice think they could handle her mental illness on their own... or did they think to seek out medical treatment when it was too late?

As for not allowing a replicator... I think he didn't like any technology that 'takes work away from a human'... so some aversion to modern conveniences.
PADD is mostly there for information purposes (ala, education, and maybe an occasional game).

 

[Deks]

Perhaps he doesn’t want to disadvantage him?

You don't disadvantage a kid by allowing a replicator. I think Maurice simply wanted to teach Jean Luc and Robert to do things with their own hands, rather than rely 'too much' on modern technology... and then Jean Luc was more 'modernized' over time (especially after joining SF), whereas Robert maintained Maurice's preference for not using technology if it takes away work from a human... namely, if you can do it with your own two hands, he would have... but otherwise, things like PADDS, and other basics would be allowed.

 

[cooleddie74]

So just how anti tech was Maurice anyway? He won't allow a replicator but he lets his kid have a PADD?

Jean-Luc was pretty spirited. He probably twisted his father's arm into getting what he needed for his schooling and recreational pursuits.

 

[Tuskin38]

did Yvette and Maurice think they could handle her mental illness on their own...

It was said in the previous episode that Yvette was refusing treatment.

 

[Yistaan]

From that shot alone, technology seems to be present... if at least in a minimal capacity to blend in with the environment.
So, the Picard's weren't 100% averse to technology... which begs the question, did they have an aversion to medical treatment or did Yvette and Maurice think they could handle her mental illness on their own... or did they think to seek out medical treatment when it was too late?

As for not allowing a replicator... I think he didn't like any technology that 'takes work away from a human'... so some aversion to modern conveniences.
PADD is mostly there for information purposes (ala, education, and maybe an occasional game).

my gut feeling is that yvette had irumodic syndrome which means there wasnt a cure anyway.

It was said in the episode that Yevette was refusing treatment.

I know this is in the future but in the present i've actually seen drug treatment make mental illness much, much, much worse. its horrifying, and they get addicted to it and keep asking for more prescriptions etc

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Well, not really. The intent of watching a Galaxy Class ship be easily destroyed by the Jem Hadar was to show that they were a real threat, and to be taken very seriously. It was very smart subliminal messaging: "you just watched this ship survive all manner of crazy threats for the better part of 7 years and now look, this terrifying new enemy can handle it no problem. Shit just got real." If, in GEN, the D was destroyed by something big and scary I would be fine with it...but what ended up happening was dumb. I know it's silly that I'm hung up on this! But she was destroyed with no honor and for dumb reasons. When Kirk blew up the 1701 in TSFS it was very well presented and handled and you could feel the stakes. The E-D's destruction was hollow and empty.

I've just never understood this "hollow and empty" stuff. I actually think it's better that way as it feels more real.

Certainly way better than the Defiant flying through whole fleets cause it activated plot armour or Voyager defeating the Borg alone. I like when hero ships have no special power

 

[Deks]

It was said in the previous episode that Yvette was refusing treatment.

I missed that it seems.
Which episode was this mentioned in?

 

[ED-209]

You don't disadvantage a kid by allowing a replicator. I think Maurice simply wanted to teach Jean Luc and Robert to do things with their own hands, rather than rely 'too much' on modern technology... and then Jean Luc was more 'modernized' over time (especially after joining SF), whereas Robert maintained Maurice's preference for not using technology if it takes away work from a human... namely, if you can do it with your own two hands, he would have... but otherwise, things like PADDS, and other basics would be allowed.

I mean that’s why he allows a PADD. Unless he goes into the family business not knowing how to use something as basic as a PADD would be major hindrance.

 

[cooleddie74]

Even some Amish use cell phones. Being culturally averse to technology doesn't mean you don't use it if absolutely necessary.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

PADDs are less sophisticated than iPads, as evidenced by people being handed piles of PADDs to represent books and files repeatedly in the Berman era, because no one could predict at that time that we’d have the cloud repository of all of our information digitized with access to basically everything all the time so soon.

That is to say, if in the early 2300s Maurice Picard is a Luddite, ‪‪I don’t think that would likely preclude using 300 year old technology. PADDs should basically be antiques at this point. Or as ubiquitous and high tech as forks.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

This one is more blunt after watching it. They guy actually puts a phaser to his head!

A pity he couldn't fire it.

 

[ED-209]

PADDs are less sophisticated than iPads, as evidenced by people being handed piles of PADDs to represent books and files repeatedly in the Berman era, because no one could predict at that time that we’d have the cloud repository of all of our information digitized with access to basically everything all the time so soon.

That is to say, if in the early 2300s Maurice Picard is a Luddite, ‪‪I don’t think that would likely preclude usinf 300 year old technology. PADDs should basically be antiques at this point. Or as ubiquitous and high tech as forks.

unforgivable technological ignorance on the part of the writers.