It works easiest if you just say that Q moved them to a completely alternate timeline. Which is simplistic but also accurate.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"
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I'm lukewarm towards PIC in general, but this has been my favorite episode of either season so far. Lea Thompson really put her stamp on it as a director, and I wish that she would do more episodes besides just this and the previous episode.
But still waiting for LoBrophus to be revealed as the Queen's new boo. Brian Brophy's destiny in any timeline!
But still waiting for LoBrophus to be revealed as the Queen's new boo. Brian Brophy's destiny in any timeline!
I'm still not getting it.
As of 2024, both the Federation and Confederation timelines are possible futures. Therefore, characters from either timeline should be able to travel back to a point before the divergence - and even meet each other. I see no reason why this shouldn't be able to happen. For example, even though Picard and crew are now from the Confederation timeline, they will still meet Sisko and the DS9 crew if they stick around long enough, because the Federation timeline is still a possible future.
Also, the Guinan from "Watcher" should still have met Picard in the 1800's, because again, the Federation is still a possible future.
The divergence has not happened yet, so logically speaking, one timeline shouldn't be "dominant" over another. There ARE no separate timelines at this point.
As of 2024, both the Federation and Confederation timelines are possible futures. Therefore, characters from either timeline should be able to travel back to a point before the divergence - and even meet each other. I see no reason why this shouldn't be able to happen. For example, even though Picard and crew are now from the Confederation timeline, they will still meet Sisko and the DS9 crew if they stick around long enough, because the Federation timeline is still a possible future.
Also, the Guinan from "Watcher" should still have met Picard in the 1800's, because again, the Federation is still a possible future.
The divergence has not happened yet, so logically speaking, one timeline shouldn't be "dominant" over another. There ARE no separate timelines at this point.
Alternate timeline would explain some of the inconsistencies I have with the 2024 stuff. I doubt it though
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Confederation happens at this point they’ve gone back to put right what has since gone wrong. nuGuinan through me for a minute like most until I realized without the TIMES ARROW experience and seeing humanity through Picard and his 24th century lens Guinan only saw the worst of humanity apparently and thus IS a different character hardened by the centuries on earth.
Where? This thread?
By the showrunner.
Guinan doesn't remember Picard because he never travelled back in time because the future was altered. That also means Enterprise never travelled back in time in Assignment: Earth.
Were you born here in the USA, or in Iran?
But the divergence already happened since Guinan is no longer our Guinan but one who didn't meet Picard in 1893. Which means nothing happening in 2024 should matter since it's all been altered from what it use to be. If they want to go back to the first divergent point in theory they would need to go back to the big bang since in this timeline Voyager wouldn't have been sent back in time by Q2. If they are saying the divergent point happens in 2024 it would be the 2024 that existed before it was changed so not sure how one goes to a 2024 that no longer exists.
I would kind of agree with your points because it's reasonable to assume that the normal timeline will be restored. So, if it's restored in 3 days, that means that the normal timeline exists forward beyond that point, which means they can travel back to the past from the normal timeline.
The only way I'd see that not happening is if they fail to prevent the change from occurring.
However, time travel is pretty much impossible to portray in a consistent manner that holds up to scrutiny. So, I'm just going with the explanation that the writers intend. However, they should've had Picard be confused momentarily and then state reason why. Would've taken moments to do.
If the 2024 divergence has already happened, then it's too late, isn't it? Nothing the crew does could possibly make any difference.
They are putting right what once went wrong.
The Confederation timeline overwrote the Federation timeline, including all the time travel stories from that timeline.
They're in the Confederation's past now, and they're going to stop Q, and bring the Federation back.
Only if the 2024 divergence has already happened. In which case, this whole series is pointless.
If it has NOT happened - which seems to be the intention, since the crew seems to think that there's a point to what they're doing - then logically the Federation timeline has NOT been overwritten, because neither timeline exists yet!
Her odd eyes and lips are the opposite of hot to me, but attraction is very subjective of course.
It's probably all that dark makeup around her eyes. She looks like she hasn't slept in weeks.
The Guinan from before and after had a mysterious and charming glance in her eyes and smile on her lips.
This one is just odd as Guinan. She'd work as pretty much any other new character, but not as Guinan.
This whole thread is a qagh festival
19th century Guinan and 24th century Guinan look a lot more similar than either compared to this new 21st century Guinan. Whoopi's face didn't change a lot at all. I at least don't see any typical signs of aging like wrinkles. NewGuinan's eye rings actually make her look older in my view
Why would they?
It has been overwritten, we saw it in Episode 2. Going back intime before the change doesn't change that.
The showrunner talks about Guinan not remembering Picard here.
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/picard-showrunner-guinan-2024-jean-luc-star-trek
10-Forward is mentioned to have existed in S1 (mentioned in AGT) just because we never saw it, doesn't mean it wasn't there.
And if the divergence in 2024 has already happened...they shouldn't be able to do that.
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