No you don't, you despise them, there's a difference.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x04 - "Absolute Candor"
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No you don't, you despise them, there's a difference.
That it's a slow traffic day and this discussion is the only thing right now that keeps this thread going?
Yup, time to move on.
I guess there's no sense in attempting to converse with a fustian pontificator who only sees things through a thick veil of animosity.
I guess, if he would look through his feet instead of a veil, maybe things would be clearerYup, time to move on.
I guess there's no sense in attempting to converse with a fustian pontificator who only sees things through a thick veil of animosity.
come on, november '63 introduced the best mankind has to offer (especially people born nov 16th are marvellous)
nope, he certaimly isn't
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No there really isn't any other meaning for a 'Mary Sue' other than it being a writer placing themselves into a story. Considering how many people hate Picard, he isn't a Mary Sue. Nobody hates the Mary Sue in a story. Also, even if a 'Moral Mary Sue' was actually a thing, I don't think it really applies to Picard considering he made an immoral choice of choosing his pride and hubris over saving Romulan lives.
That’s nice, but I’m pretty sure I already said that the book probably isn’t canon. Its just the only source we have right now, written by someone adjacent to the writing staff, and so for that reason it can be part of the discussion
I am fascinated, though, that you think the USS Verity doesn’t exist because it hasn’t been mentioned in an episode.
And some didn't think that entails being the boss. Someone like you for instance.
No. Still just you.
No, there are many meanings, and have been for years. And he never chose anything over saving Romulan lives. That's just it. Everyone but him is responsible for this. He did not cause the supernova, he did not cause the synth attack, he did not ban the syths, and he sacrificed his career to continue the Romulan rescue effort. He never chose anything over that.
I dont even know what that means.
i really thought you were following this thread
No there aren't and the actual definition of Mary-Sue doesn't support your claims.
https://www.dictionary.com/e/fictional-characters/mary-sue/
Mary-Sue's apart from being an avatar of the writer also have zero flaws. Picard has flaws. Picard left starfleet in protest and then went and hid in his chateau and spent 14 years ignoring the people he had promised to save. That was a pretty hypocritical move on Picard's part, how dare he criticise Starfleet, when he did absolutely fuck all.
then put on your reading feet and try reading that post again. It seems clear to me.
s/he might have you on igno, though
Am I missing something? The entire point of the show is that he did not continue it! The moment Starfleet pulled the rug out of him, he literally gave up and retired to Burgundy for fourteen years. He could've called in the hundreds of favors he'd collected during his captaincy, but he did nothing. He was a personal friend to Sarek and Spock and never asked the Vulcans for help. He was the Arbiter of Succession to the Klingon Empire, and the former Federation ambassador to Qo'noS was his former subordinate, but he never went to the Klingons for help. He could've asked the merchant fleets for assistance, but he didn't do any of that. Even if he couldn't muster any help, he could've at least gone back to Vashti and help the refugees there including Elnor who looked up to him as a father figure, but he instead chose to cut himself off from the entire galaxy and went to sulk in his family home for fourteen years.
And it was never a clear-cut situation with Saint Mary-Sue Picard being the only person in the whole galaxy with a moral compass against everyone else. The show made it clear that while a large part of Starfleet brass opposed a rescue effort, it was far from everyone. And with a political situation where fourteen members of the Federation, which probably doesn't mean only fourteen backwater planets, basically threaten Brexit if Starfleet as much as lifts a finger to help a single Romulan, who are the oldest enemies of most of the Federation (to the point that it literally started as an anti-Romulan military alliance 200 years ago), it's no wonder that it took charismatic people like Picard to even start organizing an evacuation and also that it collapsed as soon as Utopia Planitia, the largest Shipyard of Starfleet was bombed. Not to mention it was only ten years after a Quadrant-wide war where a huge part of Starfleet was wiped out and even Earth was bombed once. It's no wonder Starfleet wasn't keen on rebuilding the rescue fleet after the first one already strained their resources. But Picard still could've and should've looked for alternatives outside Starfleet. He didn't, and that's what he feels he needs to atone for.
There are literally eight Executive Producers listed on Picard, not to mention a large set of Co-Executive Producers. What’s your point?
