Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x04 - "Absolute Candor"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Feb 11, 2020.

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Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - An honorable episode.

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  2. 9

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  3. 8

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  4. 7

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  5. 6

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  6. 5

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  7. 4

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  8. 3

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  9. 2

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  10. 1 - The writers should commit seppuku.

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  1. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

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    Well Raffi surely would have done an internet search on her by now and said something if she weren't.
     
  2. SolarisOne

    SolarisOne Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Which is exactly why I avoid it. Cringing too much gives me a headache.
     
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    If the plot demands it ;)
     
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  4. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Vice Admiral Admiral

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    "Absolute Candor"

    Reminds me of something. An exchange in "Encounter At Farpoint".

    Riker: "Permission to speak candidly?"
    Picard: "Always."
     
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  5. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    "Smile! You're on Absolute Candor!"
     
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  6. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Kirk never did an adequate Internet search on Spock or else he'd have known about Sybok. #GoogleThatBro
     
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  7. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

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    Not knowing about Sybok is understandable. Not knowing about Sarek isn't really
     
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  8. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I guess McCoy was right about him being as tight-lipped as an Aldebaran shellmouth. That man can keep secrets until he no longer can.
     
  9. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

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    I wouldn't be surprised if spock, sybok, and or sarek himself edited sareks Wikipedia article to remove any mention of relation
     
  10. Gov Kodos

    Gov Kodos Admiral Admiral

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    Also, the service files aren't going to follow the parents. Sarek may be as common a name as Jim on Vulcan. Also, we don't know Sarek's job on those records apart from Diplomat so Kirk may well not have put the two together. Of course, a Vulcan ambassador with a human wife might have been a hint.
     
  11. picardjean-luc

    picardjean-luc Captain Captain

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    Don't forget Burnham. None would have named her as the culprit as her Starfleet records have been expunged.
     
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  12. picardjean-luc

    picardjean-luc Captain Captain

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    Poor Beverly. Never got her moment with Picard despite knowing him for nearly five decades :confused::confused:.
     
  13. Maurice

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    Selma in the reference in question was a hole enough thank very much.
     
  14. zenophite

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    You presume and concluded quite a bit based on very little - most of it wrong. It does no great service to you that it is wrapped in a condescending tone, perhaps intentionally meant to agitate. This is the nature of the angry fanboy critic who instantly runs to the "you just don't get it, dummy" school of responses to those who happen to have a different take on whatever it is. So be it.

    I am neither particularly against or for mystery boxes, sex and profanity in Trek or any other program but I prefer it's use to feel natural or organic to the story as a whole. It's use on Kurtzman's Trek shows is a mixed bag sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. My opinion of the Dahj/Soji destroyer of worlds mystery box is rather negative because that part of the story just hasn't really engaged me personally. Sex on these shows has been rather muted - my main thing is the incestuous innuendos between the Romulan brother/sister which I find to be rather too Game of Thrones-ish for my taste.

    My mentioned affinity for the Orville is due to their emphasis on compact self contained stories with a very loose arc (if one can even call it an arc). Moreover they have had some good examples of using allegorical situations to reflect on issues.
     
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    The post, not the poster.
     
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  16. fireproof78

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    Something Trek has not done well in a long time. I think Trek 09 and Into Darkness were the closest, but even DSC has struggled with that. So, holding up Trek as this definitive allegorical powerhouse is difficult to parse, at best.

    Orville has done well with its allegories, but that's few and far between rather than the norm.
     
  17. Noname Given

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    Hey, she just happened to be there when Picard showed up...Her Shuttle flight to the Klingon A.I. symposiums didn't leave until the following Tuesday...
    ^^^
    Yeah, that's it... ;)
     
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  18. cooleddie74

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    [*GLARES IN HARRIMAN*]
     
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  19. zenophite

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    Fair enough. I wasn't trying to make the claim that the Orville does it well as a rule - only that it does, as you say, do it well from time to time. By contrast ST: Discovery hasn't really done it at all - at least nothing that stands out to me.
     
  20. fireproof78

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    DSC and other Treks are largely internal dealings, rather than larger allegories. How the characters deal with trauma, and war, and pain is all a part of representing both the positive and negative aspects of humans.

    For me, as much as I love a good allegory, I have moved in to a place where the characters mean a lot more to me. Kirk in Abrams Trek is probably the one I find the most interesting because of his struggle to find himself in the shadow of his dad and needing that mentor. Burnham struggles from being on the outside in so many different places, from Vulcan to Starfleet and really having to struggle with learning things are not as they seem.

    So, less allegorical and far more character introspective. Which, I prefer. Mileage definitely varies.
     
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