Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x04 - "Absolute Candor"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Feb 11, 2020.


Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - An honorable episode.

  2. 9

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  10. 1 - The writers should commit seppuku.

  1. Racefuel

    Racefuel Captain Captain

    Sep 3, 2016
    Southern Oregon
    The Kelvin Universe Kirk is one of my favorite characters in all of Star Trek.

    He knows a little about his prime timeline counterpart...he knew his father, his father saw him rise to command the Enterprise..he was a "great man" as Nero told him..

    And he's trying to find his own way while being in that shadow, even if only him and Prime Spock know about it.
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  2. JD

    JD Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jul 22, 2004
    Arizona, USA
    I realized I never commented on this one. Most of it's kind of a blur at this point, but I did like the introduction of Elnor, and it was interesting to see what effect the Federation giving up on the Romulan refugees had.
  3. Ryan Thomas Riddle

    Ryan Thomas Riddle Writer and occasional starship commander Premium Member

    Dec 26, 2003
    Where No One Has Gone Before
    I'm finally able to articulate what bother me about Picard ripping off the "Romulan's Only" sign and stepping on it.

    On the surface, it bugs me as the writer serving the plot more than the character. The whole point to place Picard in danger so Elnor could rescue him and join the cause. But it doesn't seem driven by Picard as a character. He's just stirring shit to stir it.

    But here's the bigger problem for me. Picard is the great white imperialist inserting his morality and invading a galactic minorities' safe space.
  4. Gonzo

    Gonzo Guest

    You could almost accuse him of being a " Cheeky Fecker". :biggrin:
  5. zenophite

    zenophite Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    May 9, 2003
    Yeah, I didn't care for this scene either - it did seem out of place considering the whole story set up. I mean the Romulans are supposed to be the one's who got screwed by Federation, Starfleet and by extension Picard (i mean he has a guilt complex over it) And yet...he gets angry that they might feel resentment enough about it to not want outsiders (most likely Federation members) in their watering hole?

    I mean I guess you could explain it away by saying that Picard was trying to draw Elnor to his cause but it simply wasn't conveyed that way IMO.
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  6. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 11, 2014
    Annoyed by inappropriate use of the word "Need"
    Emotions are not rational.

    It's not a great scene but I don't expect anger to be perfectly rational every single time when portrayed in the show.
  7. zenophite

    zenophite Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    May 9, 2003
    I think there is a difference between not being rational and something that feels like it doesn't quite follow from the setup of the story even from an emotional perspective. I think ultimately it simply wasn't clear whether it was Picard trying to get Elnor to his cause or simply Picard's sensibilities. For that matter who knows if all this is simply the effects of whatever disease he has... It was a minor thing to be sure but it did get me wondering why Picard would act so brazenly to agitate the Romulans in their own place being that he is essentially the face of the Federation's betrayal. Especially since he has a larger mission to accomplish.
  8. Longinus

    Longinus Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Sep 2, 2008
    Yeah, it was bit weird scene and I too was left wondering whether it was a ploy to get Elnor to help or whether he was just being a twat.
  9. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

    Apr 23, 2010
    That he always was.
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  10. Phoenix219

    Phoenix219 Commodore Commodore

    Feb 2, 2016
    Shatner still has that twinkle in his eye, the charisma - it would have been so much fun seeing someone recruit an aging Admiral Kirk to go deal with fixing a mistake from his past, with him putting together a ragtag crew along the way. This entire show practically as is would be much improved with just a simple character swap, IMO - just change the vineyard into a horse farm.....
  11. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 11, 2014
    Annoyed by inappropriate use of the word "Need"
    Or a snarky way to enter since Picard is, in fact, not a Romulan.
  12. nutshell

    nutshell Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Aug 30, 2017
    What went wrong is that more Romulan didn’t get saved because he gave up and quit. He could have done something even after quitting but didn’t.
  13. Danja

    Danja Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Oct 13, 2019
    Unimatrix 259
    Seven's arrival:


    Ever the Overachiever. :hugegrin:
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  14. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 25, 2001
    The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
    She always liked to make a dramatic entrance. In any decade.
  15. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 14, 2001
    Skin-Neck-Ta-Dee (Schenectady)
    Jean-Luc did it because he remembers when everybody got along and due to his background he sees it as an affront to everything he was trying to do back then.

    He just completely misses the point that in the intervening years his High Moral Standard took a backseat to the hardships of everyday life for those people.
    Something he has, up to this point, never had to deal with.

    It was perfectly in line with where he is in his thinking at that point.

    It became another in a long list of rude awakenings that just haven't sunk in yet.

    I think meeting and talking to Seven is the point where Picard is finally getting the gist of how the rest of the local galaxy has had to deal with his incompetence.
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  16. gaghyogi49

    gaghyogi49 Commander Red Shirt

    Sep 8, 2006
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  17. hbquikcomjamesl

    hbquikcomjamesl Commodore Commodore

    Oct 6, 2006
    Orange County, CA
    Another good one.

    I noticed in the opening credits that Seven of Nine was supposed to show up. Then I got so fully into the story that I completely forgot it. Until she did.
    Not quite sure "incompetence" is the right word here. Maybe "failure"?
  18. Crusher Disciple

    Crusher Disciple Admiral Admiral

    Dec 4, 2001
    Crusher Disciple
    I love the idea of the Qowat Milat, but how could they manage to survive for so long if the Tal Shiar is as effective as they've been portrayed since TNG?

    How did Elnor get his valise onto the ship? I assume he put it down when he was in the crowd and before he spoke up. He had the tan galong in his hand when they beamed, but once the rematerialized he was putting the sword back in his sheath. So where did that valaise go....? :shrug:

    And what does the poor kid have to pack? A second set of robes?
  19. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Vice Admiral Moderator

    Jan 20, 2016
    Romulan ale, since it is no longer illegal
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  20. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Cartoon Premium Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    Vasquez Rocks, Bajor
    Because they send any Tal Shiar agents they meet home in two boxes.