Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x04 - "Absolute Candor"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Feb 11, 2020.

?

Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - An honorable episode.

    12.5%
  2. 9

    23.8%
  3. 8

    32.7%
  4. 7

    17.4%
  5. 6

    4.6%
  6. 5

    4.3%
  7. 4

    1.4%
  8. 3

    1.1%
  9. 2

    1.1%
  10. 1 - The writers should commit seppuku.

    1.1%
  1. Rao Van Tickle

    Rao Van Tickle Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2020
    I hope that if it turns out to be some kind of premonition, it at least gets hinted at that Picards connection to the Borg made it possible.
     
  2. Bad Thoughts

    Bad Thoughts Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Location:
    Bad Thoughts
    OK, how about this: Picard wanted to teach Elnor about Porthos?
     
    SJGardner, Jesse1066, oberth and 2 others like this.
  3. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2001
    Location:
    The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
    All future generations across the galaxy should learn of Porthos. :)
     
  4. Rao Van Tickle

    Rao Van Tickle Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2020
    You must have meant the intro. "Vast quantities of stuff, the final frontier. These are the voyages..."
     
    Search4 and Greg Cox like this.
  5. Kor

    Kor Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2001
    Location:
    My mansion on Qo'noS
    And Shinzon and Picard didn't look like each other, anyway. The cloning process must have been defective.

    Kor
     
    Longinus likes this.
  6. Cake

    Cake Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2010
    Picard kind of lied to the Romulan nuns despite this absolute candor thing they have going on. I mean sure he suspects the involvement of the Tal Shiar in some way, but even more so he thinks the Zhat Vash are after Data's daughters. But no word of them towards the nuns and Elnor.

    Vashti also looked unbelievable primitive. They have this big orbital defense network, but on the planet I think the most advanced technology was electric light. Even in really poor places of today there is often more technology on display. The clothing, the dirt and everything didn't help. It was just such a cliche way to show a poor place. I just don't think it made sense for that outpost to look like it did. It is not even like only outlaws not caring about anything live there. They evacuated whole families to it and those nuns. So there is the basis for a somewhat regulated society there and again the lack of technology on display is just unbelievable.

    I also don't really like it that they seem to go way too far into the mysticism region with Soji. This whole bit of an ancient prophecy of the Destroyer of everything. That fits better into a fantasy series and not a science fiction one.

    And this way too incesty relationship between Narek and his sisters feels like it was just added to make the series more "edgy". It also turns her even more into a cliche baddie than she already is. Sometimes less is more. In this case I think it would have been better if she just has a different opinion going forward without all this stupid incest thing and her thinly veiled jealousy

    And I wonder how much longer it takes until the two different storylines of Picard and Soji finally meet. They really take their time. I hope it doesn't take much longer.

    Nice though to see Seven again.
     
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2020
  7. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 14, 2001
    Location:
    Skin-Neck-Ta-Dee (Schenectady)
    Ummmm.... that was an underlying thread in that movie.
    Shinzon growing up with the Remans and being forced to work in the mines not only changed his outlook on life but also hardened his outward appearance.
    :techman:
     
  8. Rao Van Tickle

    Rao Van Tickle Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2020
    That made me think a bit as well. I suppose Picard never felt at home there because he had unfinished business (simply put), so he felt he didn't deserve and couldn't enjoy the chateau as a home.
     
    SJGardner and Lord Garth like this.
  9. Dukhat

    Dukhat Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2007
    Location:
    Maryland, USA
    Did the crew of the Horizon give their book to the Sigma Iotians like a sign from god?
     
  10. Rao Van Tickle

    Rao Van Tickle Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2020
    Ah shucks, someone beat me to it.
     
  11. Kor

    Kor Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2001
    Location:
    My mansion on Qo'noS
    Though I just remembered there's a scene in NEM showing a photograph of younger Picard looking exactly like Shinzon, so we as the audience are supposed to buy the notion that they resemble each other. :shrug:

    Kor
     
  12. Underfunded

    Underfunded Ensign Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2019
    Great episode. Ending was spectacular!
     
    Bgt likes this.
  13. Rao Van Tickle

    Rao Van Tickle Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2020
    To add to this (I'm not able to edit yet): Now that he's active and in the midst of cleaning up his past, he might be more open to the idea. But the initiative seemed to have come from the Hospitality Hologram.
     
  14. oberth

    oberth Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2017
    Location:
    (new) berlin
    well, has anybody been to harry mudd's planet lately?
     
  15. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 14, 2001
    Location:
    Skin-Neck-Ta-Dee (Schenectady)
    Yes, but by the time the two of them meet, Shinzon has undergone those drastic changes due to the years of menial labor and being treated as a slave.

    Remember that the Romulan's "Picard Clone Project" ended up being rejected as non-viable early on, apparently due to political changes in the Senate.
    That is why Shinzon was dumped on Remus to begin with, to get rid of the evidence.

    That circumstance was more than enough of a difference as compared to how Jean-Luc lived during that same time period.
     
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2020
  16. Discofan

    Discofan Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2018
    Location:
    Discofan
    Aka Baron du Vallon de Bracieux de Pierrefonds. ;)
     
    Hythlodeus likes this.
  17. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Admiral Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2005
    Location:
    Far North Chicago Suburbs
    A- Probably not a lot of cybernetics conferences in the last 14 or so years
    B- When she did go, it was probably aboard a nice comfy starliner where she could read her PADD
    C- She seems to babble when she's nervous
     
    SJGardner, Rao Van Tickle and oberth like this.
  18. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2018
    The Klingons, Ferengi, etc. aren't bound by the Federation's ban on synths. The Ferengi would see the Fed's ban as an opportunity to make a profit.
     
    Ar-Pharazon likes this.
  19. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 14, 2001
    Location:
    Skin-Neck-Ta-Dee (Schenectady)
    I like how she nonchalantly makes small talk all the while collecting information for Commodore Oh.
    ;)
     
    SJGardner, SolarisOne and Ar-Pharazon like this.
  20. Discofan

    Discofan Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2018
    Location:
    Discofan
    At least she doesn't stutter when she's nervous like Barclay does.
     
    Ar-Pharazon likes this.