Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x04 - "Absolute Candor"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Feb 11, 2020.

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  10. 1 - The writers should commit seppuku.

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  1. Rao Van Tickle

    Rao Van Tickle Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I hope that if it turns out to be some kind of premonition, it at least gets hinted at that Picards connection to the Borg made it possible.
     
  2. Bad Thoughts

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    OK, how about this: Picard wanted to teach Elnor about Porthos?
     
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  3. cooleddie74

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    All future generations across the galaxy should learn of Porthos. :)
     
  4. Rao Van Tickle

    Rao Van Tickle Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    You must have meant the intro. "Vast quantities of stuff, the final frontier. These are the voyages..."
     
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  5. Kor

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    And Shinzon and Picard didn't look like each other, anyway. The cloning process must have been defective.

    Kor
     
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  6. Cake

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    Picard kind of lied to the Romulan nuns despite this absolute candor thing they have going on. I mean sure he suspects the involvement of the Tal Shiar in some way, but even more so he thinks the Zhat Vash are after Data's daughters. But no word of them towards the nuns and Elnor.

    Vashti also looked unbelievable primitive. They have this big orbital defense network, but on the planet I think the most advanced technology was electric light. Even in really poor places of today there is often more technology on display. The clothing, the dirt and everything didn't help. It was just such a cliche way to show a poor place. I just don't think it made sense for that outpost to look like it did. It is not even like only outlaws not caring about anything live there. They evacuated whole families to it and those nuns. So there is the basis for a somewhat regulated society there and again the lack of technology on display is just unbelievable.

    I also don't really like it that they seem to go way too far into the mysticism region with Soji. This whole bit of an ancient prophecy of the Destroyer of everything. That fits better into a fantasy series and not a science fiction one.

    And this way too incesty relationship between Narek and his sisters feels like it was just added to make the series more "edgy". It also turns her even more into a cliche baddie than she already is. Sometimes less is more. In this case I think it would have been better if she just has a different opinion going forward without all this stupid incest thing and her thinly veiled jealousy

    And I wonder how much longer it takes until the two different storylines of Picard and Soji finally meet. They really take their time. I hope it doesn't take much longer.

    Nice though to see Seven again.
     
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  7. DaveyNY

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    Ummmm.... that was an underlying thread in that movie.
    Shinzon growing up with the Remans and being forced to work in the mines not only changed his outlook on life but also hardened his outward appearance.
    :techman:
     
  8. Rao Van Tickle

    Rao Van Tickle Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    That made me think a bit as well. I suppose Picard never felt at home there because he had unfinished business (simply put), so he felt he didn't deserve and couldn't enjoy the chateau as a home.
     
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  9. Dukhat

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    Did the crew of the Horizon give their book to the Sigma Iotians like a sign from god?
     
  10. Rao Van Tickle

    Rao Van Tickle Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Ah shucks, someone beat me to it.
     
  11. Kor

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    Though I just remembered there's a scene in NEM showing a photograph of younger Picard looking exactly like Shinzon, so we as the audience are supposed to buy the notion that they resemble each other. :shrug:

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  12. Underfunded

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    Great episode. Ending was spectacular!
     
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  13. Rao Van Tickle

    Rao Van Tickle Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    To add to this (I'm not able to edit yet): Now that he's active and in the midst of cleaning up his past, he might be more open to the idea. But the initiative seemed to have come from the Hospitality Hologram.
     
  14. oberth

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    well, has anybody been to harry mudd's planet lately?
     
  15. DaveyNY

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    Yes, but by the time the two of them meet, Shinzon has undergone those drastic changes due to the years of menial labor and being treated as a slave.

    Remember that the Romulan's "Picard Clone Project" ended up being rejected as non-viable early on, apparently due to political changes in the Senate.
    That is why Shinzon was dumped on Remus to begin with, to get rid of the evidence.

    That circumstance was more than enough of a difference as compared to how Jean-Luc lived during that same time period.
     
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  16. Discofan

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    Aka Baron du Vallon de Bracieux de Pierrefonds. ;)
     
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  17. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Admiral Premium Member

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    A- Probably not a lot of cybernetics conferences in the last 14 or so years
    B- When she did go, it was probably aboard a nice comfy starliner where she could read her PADD
    C- She seems to babble when she's nervous
     
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  18. Yistaan

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    The Klingons, Ferengi, etc. aren't bound by the Federation's ban on synths. The Ferengi would see the Fed's ban as an opportunity to make a profit.
     
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  19. DaveyNY

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    I like how she nonchalantly makes small talk all the while collecting information for Commodore Oh.
    ;)
     
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  20. Discofan

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    At least she doesn't stutter when she's nervous like Barclay does.
     
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