Yeah, the Easter Eggs are cool and all, but the "Small Universe" syndrome is getting dangerously overdone. The crew has done a good job standing on their own. They don't need to keep tying their histories into the other legacy shows.
Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 4x09 - "The Inner Fight"
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Sito was held back a year after the accident.
Which then Filoni said it wasn't him.
Classic Filoni misdirection.
Well no, it was because he didn't want to retroactively label an old character. Also it would be white washing anyways.Classic Filoni misdirection.
Rex was confirmed to be on Endor though, he just wasn't in any scenes in the film.
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Yeah, it was an absurdist fan theory that really should remain as such. Trying to retroactively push newer characters back in to old material by finding nameless extras to graft that identity on to is very strange.
The (I thought obvious) reason to check that episode as well was that those are the two times Sito was seen, and Mariner could have overlapped with her in either of the two.
There's always Warped, which puts an Ensign Mariner on the Enterprise-D. Although the writer/showrunner since said it wasn't her and he just liked the name, he may have changed his mind.
honestly, given the dialog between freeman and riker, the impression i get is that they knew each other when they themselves were a lot lower rank. while i doubt that freeman was on the Pegasus, or at betazed, i could see them having met on the Potemkin, perhaps with a relatively newly promoted Lt. Riker taking an Ensign Freeman under his wing to help her progress in her career.
And yet, they still gave Rex a new look in the Rebels finale that very closely mirrors the character "Nik Sant," the name the old EU gave to the bearded soldier on Endor who is supposedly Rex.
Mariner can't be on the Enterprise D in the TNG episode Lower Decks because she even states in this episode that that happened before she graduated.
Besides, Ensign Gates was present since the third season of TNG, so there's no possible way she could be Mariner.
Mariner is named after Mike McMahan's sister (her full name is Beckett Mariner McMahan) so presumably the same is true of this Beckett Mariner featured in Warped.
Even if we were to entertain the notion that was Mariner in Warped, Warped is supposed to he a hypothetical eighth season to TNG, which presumably would have been set in 2371, so it would actually line up with the what this episode has established about her time in the Academy.
Yeah, after the additional details provided by "The Inner Flight", my assumption is that Carol knew Riker on one of his pre-1701-D assignments
Mariner knowing him can be explained by him being a family friend who visited whenever he was in the area and sent video messages. would explain some of her knowledge of the Ent-D's escapades.. riker entertaining Mariner with stories of the more memorable events, as well as her reading the ship's mission reports once in the academy.
in 2381, Riker would be 46. If Freeman were just a year younger than Riker, it would mean she gave birth to Beckett when she was around 15 years old if Mariner is around 30. Possible, of course, but kind of crazy. I think we have to assume Freeman either started her career later or was much slower to rise through the ranks if Riker was her superior.
There is no Ensign Mariner in Warped. There is a Cadet Beckett; last name Beckett. Whereas Beckett is of course Mariner's first name. So they are clearly not the same person.
(Marvel No-Prize goes to me for now suggesting that Mariner was still deep in her Sito Jaxa admiration phase, and started using her name Bajoran style instead.
)[Edit: Correcting myself...Beckett is a cadet, not an ensign.]
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Warped? What's that?
Ah! Gracias!
All in less than 25 minutes!
The writing in this show is beyond tight. There’s never a wasted scene. The stories are moving forwards all the time.
It’s really worth a look. It always cheers me up. I think a lot of it is in a long long Twitter feed.
Yet another reason why retconning five years off Riker's age was just plain dumb. Jonathan Frakes was 34 or so when TNG started, which would have given him 12 years in Starfleet. Which is about right for a highly competent officer just offered a choice between a command and the first officer slot on the flagship. But for some reason, they knocked 5 years off his age at some point, so that he had been an officer for only 7 years when he started on the Enterprise. Which would mean his career progressed at an insane speed. If Freeman had a relatively normal career path, Riker could have easily wound up as her superior.
The full story if you will started with a Twitter account where Mike McMahan posted a bunch of parody plot descriptions to hypothetical TNG S8 episodes. Then back around 2015 he took twenty or so of his favorites and published them in a book titled Warped which claimed to be the episode guide to this supposed eighth season of TNG, complete with an extended synopsis of the full episode and behind the scenes info for the episodes.
It really is quite hilarious.
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