Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 2x04 - "Mugato, Gumato"

[Vger23]

A surprising number of them are

So, I'm definitely not a "prude." I've always loved gross-out humor and sexcapade humor quite a bit (40 Year Old Virgin, Porky's, American Pie, Superbad...all great, really funny movies).

I just think that when Star Trek in general (and LD specifically) tries to be "edgy" with sexual comedy, it really falls horribly flat. It feels forced...like "Hey don't forget, this is supposed to be an edgy adult comedy cartoon, so we need some sex stuff in it." I don't like it because I generally don't find the execution funny...not because I have some particular objection to sexual content.

If they did a better job on the execution (all subjective, of course...humor in particular is very taste-driven), I'm sure I'd find it hilarious.

 

[Noname Given]

So, I'm definitely not a "prude." I've always loved gross-out humor and sexcapade humor quite a bit (40 Year Old Virgin, Porky's, American Pie, Superbad...all great, really funny movies).

I just think that when Star Trek in general (and LD specifically) tries to be "edgy" with sexual comedy, it really falls horribly flat. It feels forced...like "Hey don't forget, this is supposed to be an edgy adult comedy cartoon, so we need some sex stuff in it." I don't like it because I generally don't find the execution funny...not because I have some particular objection to sexual content.

If they did a better job on the execution (all subjective, of course...humor in particular is very taste-driven), I'm sure I'd find it hilarious.

What's 'edgy' about two Gorrilas mating in the woods? Just because we have animals having sex in the episode, it doesn't male it 'edgy'.

 

[Turtletrekker]

What's 'edgy' about two Gorrilas mating in the woods? Just because we have animals having sex in the episode, it doesn't male it 'edgy'.

You see far more graphic animal procreation on Animal Planet, which is rated for all ages, than you did in this episode of Star Trek.

 

[oldtrekkie]

Children that live in the countryside see real animals (not cartoon) mating all the time. It doesn't bother them, unless (I guess) some well-meaning adults tell them that they should be bothered.

 

[Super Grover]

Yeah, that's not how it works. They didn't have Frank Welker dub Freddie Prinze Jr. in "Scooby Doo."

This is kind of off topic here, but I was hoping that if they ever did a Live Action Archer, they would cast some handsome dude like John Hamm, but still dub in H Jon Benjamin's voice; because the voice is 50% of the character.

 

[fireproof78]

Children that live in the countryside see real animals (not cartoon) mating all the time. It doesn't bother them, unless (I guess) some well-meaning adults tell them that they should be bothered.

Yup. Part of life.

 

[Vger23]

What's 'edgy' about two Gorrilas mating in the woods? Just because we have animals having sex in the episode, it doesn't male it 'edgy'.

Children that live in the countryside see real animals (not cartoon) mating all the time. It doesn't bother them, unless (I guess) some well-meaning adults tell them that they should be bothered.

Yup. Part of life.

I didn't say it was edgy. I said it's an example of them trying to be "edgy" by having sexual humor on the show. I said it was a example of LD doing the sexcapades-style comedy that didn't make me laugh because I didn't find it well executed. It just feels insincere. Sorry, that's just how I feel about it. They could have sex jokes all day long for all I care. But if they don't make me laugh, it's not because I'm a prude. It's simply because the execution didn't do it for me. Such as been the case with LD in my experience.

 

[fireproof78]

I didn't say it was edgy. I said it's an example of them trying to be "edgy" by having sexual humor on the show. I said it was a example of LD doing the sexcapades-style comedy that didn't make me laugh because I didn't find it well executed. It just feels insincere. Sorry, that's just how I feel about it. They could have sex jokes all day long for all I care. But if they don't make me laugh, it's not because I'm a prude. It's simply because the execution didn't do it for me. Such as been the case with LD in my experience.

Execution is my biggest struggle with execution. It always feels forced.

 

[Commander Troi]

--- GR, TMP Novelization

Wow. I'd forgotten about that, but reading it again, I knew I'd read it before!

BTW, I thought Alan Dean Foster wrote it, even though Gene's name is on it.

 

[cooleddie74]

He did, didn't he? Roddenberry didn't pen that entire novelization.

 

[UssGlenn]

This is kind of off topic here, but I was hoping that if they ever did a Live Action Archer, they would cast some handsome dude like John Hamm, but still dub in H Jon Benjamin's voice; because the voice is 50% of the character.

There are a few characters with such a distinctive voice that this might be needed in a live action adaptation. Dr. Girlfriend from "The Venture Bros." Is another example. But I can't think of any examples of it actually happening yet.

 

[dupersuper]

Cutting Riker.

That was A) an accident, Worf didn't keep beating on him afterwards, and B) possibly not an actual event as we see it as a flashback during a mental assault on Riker, unless you mean the bruise - not cut - from Pegasus, in which case point 1 still applies.

People seem to forget that this is a cartoon. In cartoons, people get beat-up crushed under a rock or a piano and they're fine the next scene.

Looney Tunes are great, but they are not the entirety of cartoons...

Kirk's loins will never leave my consciousness.

I believe that was the title of Carol Marcus' autobiography.

Execution is my biggest struggle with execution.

I'm sure every one on death row agrees.

 

[fireproof78]

That was A) an accident, Worf didn't keep beating on him afterwards,

Assault is assault, especially on a superior officer. Also, i believe Mariner and the other officer were engaged in a voluntary sport, like Parisee Squares.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Wow. I'd forgotten about that, but reading it again, I knew I'd read it before!

BTW, I thought Alan Dean Foster wrote it, even though Gene's name is on it.

Nope.

According to Wikipedia...

This book is sometimes erroneously credited to Alan Dean Foster, however, Foster only contributed to the film's story. The novelization based on the screenplay was written solely by Roddenberry.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Motion_Picture_(novel)

 

[dupersuper]

Assault is assault, especially on a superior officer. Also, i believe Mariner and the other officer were engaged in a voluntary sport, like Parisee Squares.

Assault is assault. An accident is not assault. If you accidentally make contact while sparring, stop, apologize and the injured party leaves otherwise unmolested, it was not assault. If you intentionally make contact while sparring despite the increasingly injured party begging you to stop, it was assault.

 

[Tim Thomason]

BTW, I thought Alan Dean Foster wrote it, even though Gene's name is on it.

He did, didn't he? Roddenberry didn't pen that entire novelization.

Wikipedia, quoting a book by Harlan Ellison, says that's a common misconception, and that Roddenberry wrote the novelization on his own (basing it on ADF's story for the screenplay). Roddenberry's a professional writer, and the book different enough from ADF's novelizations of the period, that I believe Roddenberry had at least major involvement in the final draft.

 

[cooleddie74]

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Let's call the whole thing off.

Hmm. Thinking of a joke that Brian O'Rorque (the pianist at Miceli's Restaurant) told one night, when I mentioned the major work (a secular cantata) on the program at Hollywood Bowl, that evening:

Carmeeena, Carmayyyna,
Buraana, Burahhna,
Let's call the whole thing Orff.

Definitely looking forward to the next LD DVD set. And by the way, the huge billboard on Highland Avenue, that had previously advertised the opening season of Picard, is now advertising the second season of LD. I see it on my way back to the Red Line station, every time I attend a concert at the Bowl (the only reason why I don't see it on the way up is because the good restaurants are about a block East of the billboard).

(And of course, Roddenberry wrote the TMP novelization. ADF was involved in the screenplay [and his involvement was credited, as I recall], but if parts of the TMP novelization read like the work of a first-time novelist, it's because they are.)

 

[fireproof78]

Assault is assault. An accident is not assault. If you accidentally make contact while sparring, stop, apologize and the injured party leaves otherwise unmolested, it was not assault. If you intentionally make contact while sparring despite the increasingly injured party begging you to stop, it was assault.

Agree to disagree, especially in Starfleet.

 

[dupersuper]

Agree to disagree, especially in Starfleet.

Words still mean things in Starfleet.