Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x09 - "Rubicon"

[Mr. Laser Beam]

So who is the "Mitchell" after whom the USS Mitchell was named?

 

[cooleddie74]

There are a lot of reasons to be disappointed in DSC. Michael Burnham supposedly being written as a failure isn't even close to being one of them.

 

[Seven of Five]

I finally caught up with this week's, and I'm just happy that last week's blip seems to be a one-off. Please stick the landing, producers.

I really enjoyed Nhan's no-Nhansense approach to the whole situation. Sorry. I also thought that the chase Book felt like it was very high-stakes.

Saru and T'Rina are going to be a lovely couple.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

T'Rina sure smiles a lot. Is she Vulcan or Romulan?

 

[ED-209]

So who is the "Mitchell" after whom the USS Mitchell was named?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

T'Rina sure smiles a lot. Is she Vulcan or Romulan?

It's the restrained "almost a smile" like with Frain's Sarek. But I wonder the same thing, if T'Rina is only part Vulcan, or some Vulcans have been influenced by the Romulans nigh on these many centuries.

 

[cooleddie74]

So who is the "Mitchell" after whom the USS Mitchell was named?

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[eschaton]

It's the restrained "almost a smile" like with Frain's Sarek. But I wonder the same thing, if T'Rina is only part Vulcan, or some Vulcans have been influenced by the Romulans nigh on these many centuries.

My impression is that the population of Ni'Var is way more laid back about some expression of emotion than Vulcans were.

 

[Paul Weaver]

So who is the "Mitchell" after whom the USS Mitchell was named?

I'm just looking forward to the joint operations with the USS Webb

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

I'm just looking forward to the joint operations with the USS Webb

Led by Captains Angelsummoner and Bmx’Bandit, ‪‪I assume.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

To all those who answered my post re: the USS Mitchell - the links were either dead (only showing an "IMG" tag) or the video was unavailable. Can you give me the basic thrust of the gist?

 

[cooleddie74]

Mine was a Joe Don Baker reference from his 1975 cop movie Mitchell.

 

[fireproof78]

So who is the "Mitchell" after whom the USS Mitchell was named?

Billy Mitchell.

• Frank Burns : Colonel, I insist you do something about these raids!
  
  Henry Blake : Aw, gimme a break Frank. Get off my back.
  
  Frank Burns : Well, history certainly repeats itself. Nobody listened to Billy Mitchell either.
  
  Henry Blake : Who's Billy Mitchell?
  
  Frank Burns : A General who advocated a strong air force. Gary Cooper played him.
  
  Henry Blake : Yeah? I thought he played Sgt. York.
  
  Frank Burns : He, he did but he also play Billy Mitchell, and Lou Gehrig, and he was for a strong air force.
  
  Henry Blake : Hey, that's pretty surprising for a 1st baseman.
  

 

[jackoverfull]

The thing about serialized storytelling though is you pretty much have to end individual episodes with an "all is lost" vibe to keep the narrative interesting.

After all, in a traditional three-act structure movie the hero is supposed to have an "all is lost" moment, where they are further than ever from their goals. They often lose the big confrontation at the end of the second act as well.

Which is one of the reasons I hate this kind of storytelling: everything seem a perpetual “middle” without a satisfying end. This was extremely evident on the first season of Picard, even more than on discovery.

My impression is that the population of Ni'Var is way more laid back about some expression of emotion than Vulcans were.

agreed. And to me it makes sense: since they’ve been living side to side with emotional Romulans for centuries they must be much more familiar with emotions and less scared by the dangers it poses.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Which is one of the reasons I hate this kind of storytelling: everything seem a perpetual “middle” without a satisfying end. This was extremely evident on the first season of Picard, even more than on discovery.

Recent arrowverse plotlines have at least been shorter, they got into a really bad situation a few years back where the big bad would be introduced in episode 1, the good guys would lose every episode, getting worse and worse, until the 24th when they win.

I don't like episodic episodes with no changes and no growth for 150 episodes, but I do like ongoing threads throughout the series which are background to shorter self-contained stories. I think Stargate SG1 did this very well.

Discovery isn't awful in this regard since coming to the future. There's always been the occasional interesting stand alone ones -- the Time Loop with Mudd for example, but 3 episodes in a row with "Choose to Live" [Qowat Milat and the asteroid full of people in stasis), "All is Possible" [Tilly leads a bunch of Cadets] and "The Examples" [Burnham rescues people from prison] were nice stand alone episodes that could easilly have worked without the DMA being a threat (in the Examples it would just be anomaly of the week).

The last couple I feel have been more anomoloy-of-the-season with a side of individual story, rather than the other way round.

 

[jackoverfull]

I don't like episodic episodes with no changes and no growth for 150 episodes, but I do like ongoing threads throughout the series which are background to shorter self-contained stories. I think Stargate SG1 did this very well.

this is exactly the kind of thing I like, nowadays LDS is doing it very well.

 

[Finn]

Billy Mitchell.

• Frank Burns : Colonel, I insist you do something about these raids!
  
  Henry Blake : Aw, gimme a break Frank. Get off my back.
  
  Frank Burns : Well, history certainly repeats itself. Nobody listened to Billy Mitchell either.
  
  Henry Blake : Who's Billy Mitchell?
  
  Frank Burns : A General who advocated a strong air force. Gary Cooper played him.
  
  Henry Blake : Yeah? I thought he played Sgt. York.
  
  Frank Burns : He, he did but he also play Billy Mitchell, and Lou Gehrig, and he was for a strong air force.
  
  Henry Blake : Hey, that's pretty surprising for a 1st baseman.

 

[Cyrus]

So who is the "Mitchell" after whom the USS Mitchell was named?

Probably Gary Mitchell since they are going to the galactic barrier.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Probably Gary Mitchell since they are going to the galactic barrier.

I doubt they'd go that route.

Whether or not Gary was ultimately responsible for his actions is irrelevant. No one who went on a murderous rampage like that is gonna get a ship named after him.

 

[Harpsichord]

Clearly they named the ship after Billy Mitchell the Donkey Kong cheater.