At least it was more fun and even coherent than most DSC story arcs. 
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x08 - "All In"
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I think it's mostly one Berman Trek writer in particular. Genesis, Threshold and Distant Origin were all written by Brannon Braga.
Evolved from hadrosaurs?At least it was more fun and even coherent than most DSC story arcs.
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Then he went to be an executive producer on that (terrible) dinosaur show Terra Nova. The man can't get enough of evolution and dinosaurs.
It's dumb but I like the fact that now in Trek canon Earth has been the home to two spacefaring civilizations, neither of which was aware of the other until the late 24th century. That's Trek wackiness I like. Trek that can make you rethink everything you thought about Earth history.
That show was decent...a lot better than another shows out there.
I think I was just expecting a different show. I was thinking it'd be "Papa Dragon from Avatar fighting dinosaurs" and it was more "family drama and sometimes a dinosaur shows up".
i don’t remember much of that episode, but remember thinking it was somewhat decent, if only they had avoided the aliens descended from earth. But yes, evolution (and even growing up!) seemed a hard concept for some of those writers.
That's true. But I love the idea and point of the episode even if the understanding of evolution in it is garbage. It's one of my favorites. But to be honest, Trek having anything to do with real world evolution set sail long before TNG 'The Chase' (another one of my favorites), which was an equally bad understanding of evolution but was meant to explain from a production standpoint and in-universe why almost all the forehead aliens in Star Trek took a humanoid form.
I regard to the Voth, I just figure that Chuckles doesn't know what he's talking about and that instead of evolving to their current form on Earth and then spreading to the stars from there, a different species (Preservers, Progenitors, what have you) took some Hadrosaurs from Earth before the K/T extinction event 66 million years ago and genetically altered them to a bipedal humanoid form / proto-humanoid intelligence in their image, and transported them to the Delta Quadrant to a planet with no real predators or environmental stressors so they eventually (slowly) formed their own civilization tens of millions of years later, which became the Voth, which then adopted a nomadic lifestyle from there and forgot about their Delta Quadrant homeworld.
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In regard to this episode, it involved two of the biggest cliches in scifi:
- Everything revolving around a space boxing match (virtually every scifi show has had one of these).
- Everything revolving around a space poker / cards / casino game (At least it wasn't Allamaraine).
And thought that mixing them together would make it fresh and original.
The whole thing was basically Casino Royale:
Vesper Lynd: Ten million was wired to your account in Montenegro, with the contingency for five more if I deem it a prudent investment. I suppose you've given some thought to the notion that if you lose, our government will have directly financed terrorism.
Then we're supposed to believe that some of the most over-the-top and obvious tells and communication between Burnham and Book wasn't being sussed out by their fellow players, who are supposed to be high roller gamblers and card-sharps.
- Everything revolving around a space boxing match (virtually every scifi show has had one of these).
- Everything revolving around a space poker / cards / casino game (At least it wasn't Allamaraine).
And thought that mixing them together would make it fresh and original.
The whole thing was basically Casino Royale:
Vesper Lynd: Ten million was wired to your account in Montenegro, with the contingency for five more if I deem it a prudent investment. I suppose you've given some thought to the notion that if you lose, our government will have directly financed terrorism.
Then we're supposed to believe that some of the most over-the-top and obvious tells and communication between Burnham and Book wasn't being sussed out by their fellow players, who are supposed to be high roller gamblers and card-sharps.
To be fair the person they hired to catch the cheats was the one cheating.
this makes a bit more sense. What made me groan the most was having yet another random encounter with something connected to earth in the supposedly far away delta quadrant.
I don't mean the owner. Obviously he's in on it with Book and Michael. I just mean the other space poker players —who were supposed to be high stakes regulars— would have caught on to Book's and Michael's way over-the-top tells in about five minutes and would have eaten them alive at the table (metaphorically, and possibly literally in some cases), and a showdown between the two of them would never have happened because they would have been out long before the final round.
Of course, for the sake of story obviously they're going to win, I just wish they hadn't made their tells so exaggerated to point out to the audience what they were doing. They had already established that was what they were going to do, you don't need to dumb it down further for us.
True. I guess they just feel they have to keep it relatable to Earth somehow. Personally, I'd just do that by tackling issues in the zeitgeist of today through the lens of an alien species (and indeed, the b-story story of 'Distant Origin' with its conflict between religious interference in politics and denial of science was as relevant in 1997 as it is today, or 1633 for that matter, since they were going for a Galileo metaphor) without requiring an actual callback to something from Earth, but I have to admit, it was cool seeing the dinosaurs.
It's the same reason why as dumb as the new Jurassic World movie may be, I'll still pay good money to watch it.
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he is?
Yes, he knew they were working together to catch the cheater. He was the the one who asked them to do it.
The exaggerated tells were ridiculous. It didn't help matters that it was space poker with random space cards. The whole poker game was ridiculous.
The editing and camerawork gave us an unfair advantage when it came to spotting them, and we wouldn't have known what was going on in the scene if we couldn't see what they were doing. And they're in deep space, in the distant future, in an alien casino run by an alien on an alien planet. Surely there's never been a more suitable occasion for space cards.
he asked. Booker to do that, not Michael. Also he didn’t ask them to cheat themselves.
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