Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x05 - "The Examples"

[fireproof78]

Kovich could be the new Garak if they try, only with the emotionless, dry way Cronenberg plays Kovich we'll never get too much emotional satisfaction out of his role.

I mean, his mannerism is always emotionally satisfying.

 

[Sakonna]

I'll be blown away if its Control.

I hope not. Control needs to be forgotten.

I don't think we need to worry. Remember, season 2 assured us this immortal being would definitely die within 1,000 years. That's the entire reason for going to the future, after all! Getting to a point where they could be certain the immortal AI died of old age.

Sigh. Disco.

EDIT: My biggest worry is, if they are going with this "episodic problem of the week overlayed on a light serialized storyline" format (which it seems they are)...what happens when SNW comes on the air and is basically exactly the same thing? I thought the whole idea of multiple shows at once was to have them all be distinctive from each other in significant ways. DSC S4 has felt more what I would expect SNW to feel like.

I dunno, to me there's a huge difference between serialized-episodic and episodic-episodic, and I feel like they've told us SNW is the latter (whether to trust that is another matter).

For me, there's no change Disco needs to make more desperately than to tip towards episodic storytelling, because they are so much better at that than they are at serialized stories.

I've also found the "serve different audiences" thing to be a bit overblown in live action so far. I don't see any tonal/stylistic/story/etc differences between Picard and Disco. Different characters at a different point on the timeline, and otherwise cut from exactly the same cloth.

I'm honestly happy with either approach (super distinct vs. same cloth) -- all I really want is for ONE of these live action streaming seasons to eventually stick the landing!

 

[fireproof78]

eventually stick the landing!

They won't.

 

[jackoverfull]

I don't think we need to worry. Remember, season 2 assured us this immortal being would definitely die within 1,000 years. That's the entire reason for going to the future, after all! Getting to a point where they could be certain the immortal AI died of old age.

Sigh. Disco.

an the AI was already dead anyway, negating the necessity of jumping into the future. And it was already dead only because it concentrated all of itself into a mortal being and proceeded boarding an enemy ship instead of using a swarm of disposable bots or, I don’t know, pretty much hundreds of more sensible options. Sigh, the ctrl storyline was unsalvageably bad.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Trust Kovich to be the only one to discuss Culver's return from death with the man. If there's a historical event of extreme interest to investigate, no one better than the man with the glasses!

Man I love Kovich. Make him the next Doctor Who!

 

[Yistaan]

Trust Kovich to be the only one to discuss Culver's return from death with the man. If there's a historical event of extreme interest to investigate, no one better than the man with the glasses!

Man I love Kovich. Make him the next Doctor Who!

Actually Kovich should have, Lower Decks style, rattled off a list of every person who ever came back from death in Trek (Spock, Picard, Shaxs, and a few more along the way including I'm sure tons of people during the Temporal Wars like Daniels) and then tell Culber he isn't special but just the latest in a long line of resurrected Starfleet officers.

 

[cooleddie74]

I kept expecting Kovich to say that Captain Burnham's adoptive brother Spock once died and was resurrected using classifed Federation technology and that would have been cool but it never happened.

 

[Yistaan]

I kept expecting Kovich to say that Captain Burnham's adoptive brother Spock once died and was resurrected using classifed Federation technology and that would have been cool but it never happened.

Ironically Spock handled his resurrection so well because he remembered that Culber got resurrected and after a bar fight with Voq/Tyler ended up being just fine.

 

[Cap'n Calhoun]

So are episode previews only on the ready room now? They’re no longer at the end of the episode?

I think the actual ad has been showing up sometime between episodes on their Instagram channel (buried among the other dozen videos they post each week), but I haven't found them anywhere else. If they're on Paramount+ or YouTube, I haven't spotted them. And of course the non-trailer clip that you mentioned in The Ready Room. Seems an odd choice if those are the only places they're promoting it.

Here's one as an example:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CXZF6H7lmvp/

 

[urbandk]

I kept expecting Kovich to say that Captain Burnham's adoptive brother Spock once died and was resurrected using classifed Federation technology and that would have been cool but it never happened.

Retcon Genesis to be a fungus warhead!

 

[Cap'n Calhoun]

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Ctrl

For the sake of variety, maybe they'll go with Alt or Shift.

this show turned Gabriel Lorca from an intensely interesting and complex man into a Mirror Universe bad guy.

He was always written to be a Mirror Universe bad guy. They just accidentally made him seem more complex in the process.

EDIT: As pointed out below, this is not completely true. Mea culpa.

 

[eschaton]

He was always written to be a Mirror Universe bad guy. They just accidentally made him seem more complex in the process.

This is untrue. Bryan Fuller wanted him to just be a normal, if militaristic, Starfleet Captain. The trip to the MU was planned by him, but it would have happened much earlier in the season. Once Harberts and Berg took over, they got to wondering "why" Lorca was militaristic, and decided to make him from the MU.

 

[Yistaan]

And David Cronenberg's Kovich, started off looking like an older and wiser Odo but now, now it seems he is channeling Rene for Odo's mannerism and speech patterns!

Disco writers, it's still not too late to retcon Kovich into being Odo...

This is untrue. Bryan Fuller wanted him to just be a normal, if militaristic, Starfleet Captain. The trip to the MU was planned by him, but it would have happened much earlier in the season. Once Harberts and Berg took over, they got to wondering "why" Lorca was militaristic, and decided to make him from the MU.

If there's any truth to what I've heard about Harberts and Berg, and there may be due to the circumstances of their firing, then they should know that you don't need to be from a mirror universe to act like Lorca.

 

[Cap'n Calhoun]

This is untrue. Bryan Fuller wanted him to just be a normal, if militaristic, Starfleet Captain. The trip to the MU was planned by him, but it would have happened much earlier in the season. Once Harberts and Berg took over, they got to wondering "why" Lorca was militaristic, and decided to make him from the MU.

Thought I'd read otherwise, but I don't remember where, so I could be mistaken. If you happen to remember where you ran across this, I'd love to read more about it.

EDIT: Looks like you're right, at least per https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adambvary/star-trek-discovery-trumpism-lorca

Harberts explained that the writers knew from the start, when creator Bryan Fuller was first planning out the show's serialized storyline, that the inaugural season of Discovery would end up in the Mirror Universe. (Fuller eventually left the show due to creative differences with CBS, elevating Harberts and Gretchen J. Berg to showrunner status.) But at first, the writers planned for Lorca to be a hawkish captain given a chance to shine thanks to the Federation's war with the Klingon Empire. It was only after the writers began discussing why Lorca would be so skilled with warfare that they hit upon the idea that he'd secretly be from the militaristic world of the Mirror Universe.

There's a little ambiguity about whether Fuller was still there when the change happened (and it's possible other quotes clarify this further). Interesting stuff, and thanks for pointing me to it! Though, even if it wasn't the plan from the beginning of development, it still seems Mirror Lorca was the plan when most of those screenplays were written, which is more what I was referring to. I was definitely off-base in the specifics though.

 

[cooleddie74]

Lorca being a cynical, angry Starfleet Captain from our universe would have been infinitely more interesting.

 

[DaveyNY]

Lorca being a cynical, angry Starfleet Captain from our universe would have been infinitely more interesting.

Been there, done that ...

 

[cooleddie74]

I prefer a certain...formality in this forum.

 

[nic3636]

I prefer a certain...formality in this forum.

Sorry Captain Eddico, I'll go put on some pants.

 

[cooleddie74]

I don't wear them so I don't expect you to.

 

[DaveyNY]

Sorry Captain Eddico, I'll go put on some pants.

Pants ... and a bit of heavy breathing as well.