Well sure, most of them. But not the guy who’s doing the Hadley show. It’s supposed to be the first real Trek since *insert arbitrarily determined Trek series of one’s choice* was on!
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Well sure, most of them. But not the guy who’s doing the Hadley show. It’s supposed to be the first real Trek since *insert arbitrarily determined Trek series of one’s choice* was on!
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I would love the idea, though we all know how it would end.Star Trek: Robau.
The series we've all wanted since 2009 but rarely have the courage to request. Only Robau can inspire us with the necessary courage.
We'd be destroyed and he'd be alive.
It was Tilly's. We see it first in her quarters.
He was still a kid when he died, who knows what kids do on generation ships other than probably going to school XDWhat exactly does Gray DO, anyway? Did he have a job before he died? Was he in the Trill military or something? What's he gonna end up doing on Discovery, other than stand around and stare longingly at Adira?
I admit I'm kind of curious why Gray sorta looks like a ninja now.
It would be interesting if he went to the academy as a cadet and then all his memories being an admiral already, and some PIC era officer, come back!
Did they clarify who has the memories now? Were they transfered to Gray, or does Adira still have some?
The show introducing Adira as a her and only changing that later created understandable confusion.
Then we might get an episode where Gray is possessed and forces Adira to do bad things
There are real people like that, many with ASD being the reason for their apparent lack of empathy or understanding of emotional and social cues and situations. I could see Stamets as having ASD and it would make another nice addition to Trek's acceptance and diversity message.
Isn't it sad that the Disco bridge crew is their lower decks? XD
No.
Freeman over all. She will fight for your right to party.
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I see what you did there!
That said, nah, it doesn't bother me. Quite frankly, I just make up my own little head canons. For example, I ship Owo and Detmer. In my little narrative, they're a power couple who, when on shore leave together, engage in extreme sports competitions, and they burn off the rest of their adrenaline with the most mind blowing sex ever experienced.
Their short term dream is to fist fight a set of gorn twins and just see where that takes them.
Wow, that adds a whole other dimension to the looks they give each other on the bridge.
They have been writing these characters for five and a half years since they began casting in July 2016. That's a stunning indictment. Five and a half years would bring us to the end of season 5 on Ds9, covering lots of character development and world building. I'm not sure the comparison helps your argument.
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Those of us in the shipping business tend to have a keen eye.
I think it does. Because people seemingly expect the same level of character development and the same amount of information learned about them as if it were five full-length 24-26 episode seasons. With 13-15 episodes a year, you don't exactly have the luxury of getting sidetracked by fleshing out everybody with a name. Even when Trek had full-length seasons, the writers choose whom to develop; the characters didn't take turns until everybody got their 15 minutes of fame. And I'm using the word "develop" generously, as New Eden is constantly brought up as some sort of character-focus standard that Discovery should always aspire to, even though we didn't really learn more about Owo than some biographical trivia that ultimately didn't tell much about her.
Would I like to learn more about her and Keyla? Of course, I'm shipping them and they are already an item in my headcanon. But still, I don't expect much focus to fall on them, simply because they're not major characters. They're not the Sulus and Harry Kims and Hoshi Satos of the cast, and not even the TNG-Era O'Briens and Brunts and Martoks. They fill the same niches as Michael Eddington or Joe Carey. How much did we learn about Eddington before he turned out to be a Maquis member? How much did we learn about Carey before he returned without explanation after a several-year absence just so that he could abruptly be killed off?
Was worried season 4 would just be a single long arc about the anomaly, glad to see I was wrong. Great episode
Biggest niggle being how the pilot's death was shrugged off, Tilly didn't seem to care at all - even after the mission.
Interesting point, as I agreed with the "we're at the end of season 2" line
Then I thought "how many characters had been developed in Game of Thrones after 46 episodes". That's a point half way through season 5.
Biggest niggle being how the pilot's death was shrugged off, Tilly didn't seem to care at all - even after the mission.
Interesting point, as I agreed with the "we're at the end of season 2" line
Then I thought "how many characters had been developed in Game of Thrones after 46 episodes". That's a point half way through season 5.
Sorry, but I think the argument "there's so little time" doesn't work that well, because non-Trek series with modern short season lengths have done a pretty decent job. I could point to, for example, the first four seasons of Game of Thrones, The Expanse, The Magicians, or Stranger Things. Not that every single character gets a deep characterization each season of course, but there are character arcs for multiple members of the main cast either across individual seasons or the entire show.
Hell, I'd actually argue that Lower Decks in its second season managed to fit in more character development than Discovery typically does - despite having only 10 episodes of less than 30 minutes.
I should say Discovery is getting better. This episode had an identifiable character arc for Tilly, and Episode 2 had a character arc for Book. But in general I feel like Discovery is still a somewhat overplotted and under-characterized show.
The problem, however, apparently isn't that the main characters aren't getting more development... in fact, a lot of criticism is centered on the focus on the main characters being to the detriment of the supporting cast. I agree that Discovery seems far better in giving the main cast better defined character arcs in this season than the mainly plot-driven previous seasons, but most people seem to complain about minor supporting characters not being fleshed out. When Tilly was made first officer in Season 3, a lot of its criticism wasn't about how she was unsuited for the role but rather that the focus on her apparently robbed Nilsson of an opportunity to "be developed" and have her day in the limelight in the captain's chair. None of the arguments I've read online actually explain why the show would need to develop these minor characters, especially Nilsson who is as close to a blank slate as one could get, and especially at the expense of Tilly who was a main character in dire need of a character arc (even one as controversial as it ended up being) after practically being reduced to a single-line-per-episode Mary-Does-Cringe-Comedy gimmick in Season 2.
At this point one might start wondering if the small bits they've seen of Owo, Detmer, Linus et al are really so intriguing that they actually want the show to develop them even at the expense of the main characters not getting actual character development, or if they simply dislike the main characters who are currently being focused on (or at least their storylines), and want to see stories focusing on literally anybody else. If Owo and Detmer not being developed is a problem, then I think one also has to explain why not learning more about Michael Eddington or Ensign Whatshername who is periodically seen sitting at the helm next to Data is not a problem.
Fans are going to be fans. We latch onto things, sometimes for no reason we can even articulate. I had never understood the attraction to the character of Boba Fett. His costume always looked lame to me, his voice was stupid, and otherwise he was a generic mercenary. It wasn't until The Mandalorian that I found him interesting at all.
I remember on Voyager, for whatever reason (probably because I was a teenager and her blue skin was cool) I was for a little while attached to Ensign Golwat. (Maybe cause most of the main cast was blank as fuck).
I remember on Voyager, for whatever reason (probably because I was a teenager and her blue skin was cool) I was for a little while attached to Ensign Golwat. (Maybe cause most of the main cast was blank as fuck).
As I've said in the past, I think the scenario with people wanting "more" of the bridge crew dates back to a disconnect between the scriptwriters and the visuals team and the direction in Season 1.
Basically, it was very, very clear given the way the show was scripted the bridge crew were meant to be unimportant - just there to spout off a couple lines of exposition, nothing less, and nothing more. But the designers had fun with a few of them, giving Detmer the prosthetic and undercut, Owo a nice distinctive haircut, and Airiam very detailed makeup. This was really different from how Berman Trek treated the extras - where they were meant to look as boring as possible, so as even when they got a line or two, we never noticed they were in 50+ episodes. In addition, the camera treated them like characters, often lingering on their faces for "reaction shots" after a main cast member said something. These cues made people read them not as props, but people, and left people wanting to know more about them. And frankly, they started catering to this fan desire as early as Season 2, giving Owo a backstory and Airiam an entire episode, and continued in Season 3 with Detmer getting an entire PTSD arc.
I don't think we necessarily need to know more about the bridge crew. But I think the writers to some extent continue to struggle because the main cast doesn't align with the bridge crew, which means that traditional Trek stories can't be told without finding some way to shoehorn everyone in each week. I also do think it would be a nice change of pace to have a "Lower Decks" style episode where we followed the bridge crew and got to see the mains from their frame of reference instead, but that's a like to, not a need to.
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Honestly I'd rather if a Trek show is going to be serialized and tell a story arc that it stick to telling that story. Doing character driven side quest episodes like this aren't satisfying to watch. Its like they couldn't come up with enough story to fill an hour with the Ni'Var stuff alone and had to give Tilly some plot.
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