"Move Along Home" is even worse in most respects. 
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x13 - "That Hope Is You, Part 2"
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Wow. Just... wow. One thing that links those episodes is that it is near-universally agreed consensus that they’re bad, even if some like them as guilty pleasures. This episode sits with 60% of the board having it at 7 or above and 40% thinking it’s a 9 or above. A quarter of all voters think it was a 10. Putting it in the same category as those is nothing more than your own hatred leaking out into the realms of pure fantasy. Fortunately it takes more than one person hating it to form a consensus.
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Pretty sure he is full on slut shaming Dax and and lectures ob Leeta and Bashirs sexually promiscuous break up pact
He is a sexist pig throughout the episode and most of his time with Dax
Think I might be the only person loves this episode
Going by the DIS ratings every episode is one of the top Trek episodes ever.
This wasnt near the worst episodes IMO though but it was extra disappointing as it was a season finale and had lots of silly scenes but the plot and story got were they needed to go and no one turned into a Salamander
Discos first and DS9s last trip to the MU are probably my most hated from those shows
Yeah, Discovery seems pretty popular and well regarded in general. You have a group of people who hate it for what it isn’t and they go to extraordinary lengths to downvote it, make videos about it, and some just tell barefaced lies about it. Of course, many who watch are happy with it or like parts of it. They’re just not as vocal. My general point there is was that rating it as one of the worst in Trek history is pretty much wide of the mark. That’s about as polite as I can be about that.
"Move Along Home" is even worse in most respects.
I liked Quark's little moment of humanity when he begs not to have to choose who's going to die (I mean that's what he thinks will happen).
That's why I think Discovery is more average. There are the extremes that are far more vocal, both for and against, and then there are those who watch it and move on. Discovery isn't the best nor is it the worst.
Because it's running multiple stories and arcs I find it doesn't have great or terrible episodes in the same way as other Trek. Every episode will have sections I enjoy and sections I hate
That's pretty much as I watch most streaming episodes. Daredevil was probably my first encounter in that, though even Red vs. Blue did that from time to time, with some seasons feeling fairly blah. I think there are beautiful moments, and there are mediocre moments. There are few I would consider terrible, especially in taking the whole of Star trek. I find find less to hate and more I just skip.
Mileage will vary, but taken as a whole there's more to like than to dislike, even if, on rewatch, there are sections I skip. Again, did the same with Daredevil with little issue.
I think some things about it are probably my favourite, bits of it I don't like much, and others are just normal, middle-of-the-road stuff. I guess it's like that with most stuff. Certainly lots of Trek that falls way below Discovery for me, and some above it. I do hold out a lot of hope for SNW though.
I take the ratings given in this forum with a pinch of salt considering EVERY episode of Discovery tends to get the highest rating irrespective of how bad it is. I prefer my own judgement and I'm comfortable in personally considering this episode the worst I've ever seen in the series.
I think you spectacularly missed the point about consensus. Anyway, you are of course free to have your personal views on the episode. Salt has been well and truly pinched.
Cool. Sounds like Star Trek.
Every episode is either the best of the season or the worst in the entire series. That's just how fandom works. 
Given how critical I am of the aesthetic and writing I end up enjoying many episodes a lot more than my opinions might suggest.
I think the end of this season changed things up the least.
End of Season 1 --> The Klingon War ends, Burnham is reinstated in Starfleet with her rank restored.
End of Season 2 --> Discovery leaves the 23rd Century forever and all knowledge of the Spore Drive is repressed.
The first season ends with major change. The second season ends with a change that's so extreme, it's off the charts. Then...
End of Season 3 --> One world rejoins the Federation. Trill. Otherwise the Federation is still mostly in the same place Discovery found it. Getting the Federation back on its feet is still going to take a long time and presumably there will be some resistance to it. Burnham becomes Captain of Discovery, but Discovery works so closely under Admiral Vance that Burnham (and Saru before her) aren't going to have the same type of broad discretion or relative autonomy that Kirk or Picard had. So it's not quite the same thing.
The end of Discovery Season 3 is like the end of Picard Season 1. The immediate storyline was resolved, but the overall general situation and backdrop continue.
End of Season 1 --> The Klingon War ends, Burnham is reinstated in Starfleet with her rank restored.
End of Season 2 --> Discovery leaves the 23rd Century forever and all knowledge of the Spore Drive is repressed.
The first season ends with major change. The second season ends with a change that's so extreme, it's off the charts. Then...
End of Season 3 --> One world rejoins the Federation. Trill. Otherwise the Federation is still mostly in the same place Discovery found it. Getting the Federation back on its feet is still going to take a long time and presumably there will be some resistance to it. Burnham becomes Captain of Discovery, but Discovery works so closely under Admiral Vance that Burnham (and Saru before her) aren't going to have the same type of broad discretion or relative autonomy that Kirk or Picard had. So it's not quite the same thing.
The end of Discovery Season 3 is like the end of Picard Season 1. The immediate storyline was resolved, but the overall general situation and backdrop continue.
Consensus among whom? This forum? If we went by the consensus of the folk in this forum, Discovery would be considered the greatest TV series ever created since every episode gets a majority 10 vote. More neutral views of this episode (and Discovery in general) are far less flattering.
I would be impressed to find a truly neutral person. Discovery isn't the greatest ever, and ratings are fairly useless things to my mind for such assessments. But, regardless of consensus, I like most of Discovery.
No, not of this forum. Surely you’re aware of what is generally thought about the other episodes you mentioned?
As for the neutral sources you mention, what are they?
"Neutral" might be pushing it a bit since few are without an agenda, but considering sources that are not a Discovery fan forum I'd look at reviews/ratings on IMDB, Jammers Reviews, Rotten Tomatoes etc. Not really positive reviews for this episode over there.
