Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x13 - "That Hope Is You, Part 2"

[Saul]

My opinion of this episode was "is that it?". The big reveal of the burn is some unknown alien character who has technobabble connections to a planet and did massive damage to the galaxy on an unimaginable scale. Really? Is that the best idea they could come up with? You plan out a season arc and give us an episode that seems to imply that you gave up on trying to make it interesting and just focused on smashy smashy/hey look how much money we spent.

 

[fireproof78]

My opinion of this episode was "is that it?". The big reveal of the burn is some unknown alien character who was has technobabble connections to a planet and did massive damage to the galaxy on an unimaginable scale. Really? Is that the best idea they could come up with? You plan out a season arc and give us an episode that seems to imply that you gave up on trying to make it interesting and just focused on smashy smashy/hey look how much money we spent.

What would have been preferred?

Now, in my opinion, the ending didn't feel like "hey we spent money; isn't this cool." It struck me as fairly run of the mill Star Trek. The cause of the disaster was not evil or malicious but something previously unknown in terms of a life form.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Decker was suffering from shock. If he’d lived, that would have been proven and Kirk would have been cleared.

But as far as I remember, not a "bad admiral".

 

[Nerys Myk]

What would have been preferred?

Now, in my opinion, the ending didn't feel like "hey we spent money; isn't this cool." It struck me as fairly run of the mill Star Trek. The cause of the disaster was not evil or malicious but something previously unknown in terms of a life form.

Yep classic Trek trope. See "Devil in the Dark" or "Evolution"

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

One more problem with the ending that has occurred to me.

They are going to report to the galaxy that they found the cause of the burn, and that it's not repeatable.

But that's not true. The *agent* of the Burn is not repeatable. But they reported that all you have to do to blow up all the dilithium in the galaxy is find its resonant frequency and amplify it into subspace. And now a lot of people are going to know that. And they are distributing dilithium to every planet they want to rejoin the Federation.

Without Su'Kal, there can't be another Burn. It's as simple as that.

There's no evidence that the Burn could possibly be repeated artificially, and obviously the Federation is not going to let word get out that Su'Kal caused it. So it's not like a hostile force could kidnap Su'Kal, take him to the dilithium planet, and force him to trigger another Burn - heck, that probably wouldn't work anyway.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Without Su'Kal, there can't be another Burn. It's as simple as that.

There's no evidence that the Burn could possibly be repeated artificially.

I wouldn't advise Su K'al going into dilithium mining.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

You know what? I am still wondering about that myself. Also, why is it that Osyrra thought that Michael was done with for good when she definitely was not?

It was a wall of programmable matter and Osyraa pushed Burnham into it either to suffocate her or because programmable matter will possibly absorb any form of matter and recycle it to make more programmable matter. Osyraa thinking Burnham was done for is a classic action movie villain trope which fits considering both 'There is a tide' and 'That hope is you, part 2' were chock full of action movie homages.

 

[ScottJ85]

Besides, I thought Osyraa just straight up getting shot in Discovery’s server room in such an anticlimactic way was kind of oddly satisfying after all that moustache-twirling. Like Indy shooting the sword guy in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

 

[jackoverfull]

By my count, half the season's episodes were focused on exploring a specific character. And before some "STD Hater" says something, only two of those were Burnham. The rest delved into other characters. And I listed three other character-focused storylines that weren't a main focus but were there throughout large amounts of the season.

Yes, a big plus if this season is that they actually spent some time with the characters. Much appreciated.

I’d hire whomever did the Earths impenetrable defense screen to do one for the dilithium planet ASAP!

ok. But. Search for someone else to design the sensors.

Without Su'Kal, there can't be another Burn. It's as simple as that.

There's no evidence that the Burn could possibly be repeated artificially, and obviously the Federation is not going to let word get out that Su'Kal caused it. So it's not like a hostile force could kidnap Su'Kal, take him to the dilithium planet, and force him to trigger another Burn - heck, that probably wouldn't work anyway.

interestingly, this means that they won’t reveal the cause of the burn, something that Michael deemed necessary to rebuild te federation.

It was a wall of programmable matter and Osyraa pushed Burnham into it either to suffocate her or because programmable matter will possibly absorb any form of matter and recycle it to make more programmable matter. Osyraa thinking Burnham was done for is a classic action movie villain trope which fits considering both 'There is a tide' and 'That hope is you, part 2' were chock full of action movie homages.

so Osyraa is once more incompetent, she doesn’t even know how her century’s technology work.

 

[fireproof78]

Or she simply made an assumption based upon her past experience. How many techs do people assume work one way but then they work a different way?

 

[eschaton]

Besides, I thought Osyraa just straight up getting shot in Discovery’s server room in such an anticlimactic way was kind of oddly satisfying after all that moustache-twirling. Like Indy shooting the sword guy in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

The way she went down was kinda ambiguous though. She just fell. She didn't get vaporized. I didn't even see a hole in her shirt.

Did they actually say she was killed? Or did Michael just stun her and is she rotting in a Federation prison?

 

[Quinton]

The way she went down was kinda ambiguous though. She just fell. She didn't get vaporized. I didn't even see a hole in her shirt.

Did they actually say she was killed? Or did Michael just stun her and is she rotting in a Federation prison?

I think she got shot in the head.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Yes, a big plus if this season is that they actually spent some time with the characters. Much appreciated.

ok. But. Search for someone else to design the sensors.

interestingly, this means that they won’t reveal the cause of the burn, something that Michael deemed necessary to rebuild te federation.

so Osyraa is once more incompetent, she doesn’t even know how her century’s technology work.

No, I assume Osyraa does know how her centuries technologies work. The suppositions were my own. Considering Burnham was coughing up programmable matter, I'm going to assume it was Osyraa's intent to suffocate her, but the programmable matter could have also been trying to eat Burnham.

 

[Slugboy]

Did they actually say she was killed? Or did Michael just stun her and is she rotting in a Federation prison?

After Burnham reunites with everyone on the bridge, she says "Osyraa is dead." So at the very least, Burnham believes this to be the case.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Or she simply made an assumption based upon her past experience. How many techs do people assume work one way but then they work a different way?

All of them. I don't how many times I've muttered "Do what I want!!!!" to a device that keeps doing the wrong thing. NO IT'S NOT OPERATOR ERROR!

 

[Kraig]

The way she went down was kinda ambiguous though. She just fell. She didn't get vaporized. I didn't even see a hole in her shirt.

Did they actually say she was killed? Or did Michael just stun her and is she rotting in a Federation prison?

I think she got shot in the head.

Head shot above the nose.

 

[eschaton]

Head shot above the nose.

Thanks. Did it leave a crater in her forehead in a later shot? I mean, someone could get stunned in the head.

Pretty good aim for Michael, considering she was literally shooting blind.

 

[Kraig]

Thanks. Did it leave a crater in her forehead in a later shot? I mean, someone could get stunned in the head.

Pretty good aim for Michael, considering she was literally shooting blind.

The energy from the weapon as it hits Osyrra in the head

Burnham on the bridge saying Osyrra is dead, which means either the weapon she was using didn't have a stun setting or she had it set to kill.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The energy from the weapon as it hits Osyrra in the head

Burnham on the bridge saying Osyrra is dead, which means either the weapon she was using didn't have a stun setting or she had it set to kill.

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Gene needs to get his bucket and shovel ready. He's got some cleanup to do.