Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x06 - "Scavengers"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Nov 18, 2020.

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Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - Excellent!

    9.1%
  2. 9

    15.0%
  3. 8

    21.4%
  4. 7

    32.1%
  5. 6

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  6. 5

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  9. 2

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  10. 1 - Terrible!

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  1. Tim Thomason

    Tim Thomason Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I think the best endgame for Michael, right at this moment, is for her to just quit Starfleet.

    Don't get me wrong, she can still be involved. Still be the main character even. Just not in that blue uniform. She and Book should just be mercenaries together doing whatever they think is right, while also being civilian consultants on the Discovery.

    Here
     
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  2. Agony_Boothb

    Agony_Boothb Commodore Commodore

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    Sisko didn't just cry he got violently angry on a number of occasions. And Janeway definitely copped a lot of horrible criticism about her decision making being caused by some sort of mental disorder at certain points
     
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  3. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Cartoon Premium Member

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    An nod to Journey To Babel is my guess.

    The poor guy that got "fenced" was a Bajoran,

    Why? Culber is a doctor and Stamets a scientist. Neither have command experience.
    Are you really asking this question? :lol:

    What is this the Kelvin Universe?

    Con was given to him, but the Captain can give it to any officer.

    Yeah, that's not how it works. If it did, all the guys Kirk put in the chair when taking his senior staff on landing party would never have gotten the job. :lol:

    Adds texture to the back ground. Like all those oneshot wonders in TMP.

    People like what exactly? People with emotions? People who break the rules?

    That was my impression too. I'm thinking that the fact the universes are getting further apart is causing Georgiou to disconnect from her universe and connect to the Prime. The end result might be a blend of Captain Georgiou and the Emperor in Exile.
    You were meant to think they were lead characters. They weren't

    It can? I thought it got to the future riding the Red Angel's coat tails.?
     
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  4. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

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    Oh wow. How the heck did I forget my favourite character?!

    The Bajoran in this episode is the guy who gets his head blown up by the security fence, and Tim already linked the Picard one.
     
  5. cooleddie74

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    A solid 9. I really, really liked this one.

    A TNG Era or NEM phaser in a scrap heap. Self-sealing stem bolts referenced. Discovery being upgraded to NCC-1031-A with detached warp nacelles. It was a pretty good story on top of all the fanwank and visual goodies.
     
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  6. Tim Thomason

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    That's how they got to the future, yes, but Season 1 revealed that they can travel through time as well as space along the mycelial highway. They only did it once (to travel nine months into the future) when shifting universes, but this capability is a big Chekov's Gun that has not been acted on since.

    I don't think they're going to use it to leave the 32nd century or prevent the Burn, but I'm sure it will come up at some point (perhaps with a moral dilemma involved), especially as they are quickly making strides to make the spore driving easier and Tilly is working on a Dark Energy project that will remove Stamets from the equation entirely.
     
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  7. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    The mycelial network may be how Georgiou gets back to the 23rd century if she does indeed return.
     
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  8. Bollie74

    Bollie74 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Someone is channeling Peter Parker ;)
     
  9. fireproof78

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    I guess I don't read it as what the writers are trying to say. I guess I am just along for the ride for what Burnham is feeling. I don't feel like "this is IMPORTANT and SAD" but that she feels that way. I don't see the harm or how it gets old.

    It just feels so strange to lament the experiencing of emotions. I'm not saying everyone will be moved by Burnham, anymore than I am moved by Picard. But, wow, it feels like this character cannot catch a break from the audience to the point of wanting her off the show. To me, that feels extreme.
     
  10. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Cartoon Premium Member

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    Speaking of one note...
     
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  11. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Many things are different now. Major characters are killed, redshirts stay alive, there are long arcs, and half the number of episodes per season. And many felt Spock was the star ;)
     
  12. TheMadCloner

    TheMadCloner Commander Red Shirt

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    A solid 7.

    I didn't like it as much as previous episodes but it moved the story along, and the tension between Saru/Burnham/Tilly is being handled maturely.

    I especially liked how the episode showed Saru's relative inexperience as captain, leading him to make some questionable decisions.

    And Tilly caught in between her friendship with Burnham and her sense of duty, on multiple levels. Not only is she unsure of what to do, she's unsure how she wants to be perceived. When Saru tells her that he doesn't think she would undertake a rogue personal mission, she isn't sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, because on one hand it shows her dedication to duty, but on the other hand, it shows that other people think of her as a quirky officer with limited ability to stand up for what she believes in.

    On a fun note, other people may not have liked it, but I loved the Star Wars-type visuals and sound effects when Book's ship was shooting the planet up and going to hyperspace...err, warp...with the transport vessel.
     
  13. Kevman7987

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    That's classic Trek. Go on a rogue mission against orders but only get minor discipline because you were successful and saved everyone's lives.

    I really hope they don't go the route of having Burnham go on her own as a mercenary to solve the Burn and save the day. That's too similar to how Picard (the series) works. At that point they might as well just retitle the series Burnhan and straight out tell the fans they are lazy writers and will rip off their own properties because they are creatively bankrupt.

    Dont Andorian antennae grow back?

    Where have I seen the head popping perimeter before? Was that in The Running Man?
     
  14. SolarisOne

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    Spock WAS the star.
     
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  15. dswynne1

    dswynne1 Captain Captain

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    First, I am giving this episode a solid B. I was overall entertained, but I felt that the negatives brought its score down, for the following reasons:

    1) Too much ham from the Mirror Georgiou.
    2) Tilly's betrayal (though understandable).
    3) Saru's naivety (did he NOT expect Burnham to go rogue?).
    4) Predictable bad guy torture (seen it in the movie adaptation of THE RUNNING MAN).
    5) Flat comedy moment (ugh, we get it...personal transporters SUCK).

    Okay, I would change a few things, in order to make the episode better for ME:

    a) Less ham for Mirror Georgiou. Clearly, she likes screwing around with the bad guys, but just because she is eeevil, that doesn't mean she's omnipotent. I do like the hints at character growth, as she struggles with something yet to be revealed.
    b) If Burnham is not good at being #1, and likes going rogue for a greater cause, just give her a new job, either as an operative for Section 31 or Starfleet Intelligence or something. Or "Fact Finder". Make it so that Burnham can still solve the mystery of "The Burn" (*Mission:Impossible" style). If Burnham solves the mystery, fine. If caught or killed, plausible deniability.
    c) Saru needs to get some gravitas or something. Or just be pragmatic. I expected earlier on for him to give Burnham a "wink and a nod" as to what Burnham wanted to do. "We have twelve hours before our next assignment, Commander." "Twelve hours?" "Yes, TWELVE hours. After that, well, you know." "Understood, sir." He knows about Burnham's tendencies, so why not take advantage of them?
    d) do something original. Don't just glean classic scenes from other sources.
    e) Have genuine comedic moments. Ad-lib if you have to.

    Looking forward to "Unification, Part 3"...
     
  16. Bollie74

    Bollie74 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Thank you, I think he did that as well and she feels bad about all the hideous stuff she has done in the past. And that character change is what sets us up to be OK with her having her own show...

    I want one of those new badges. The only thing is, I wish they were biologically embedded, not worn technology.
     
  17. Bollie74

    Bollie74 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    You saved yourself and there is nothing wrong with that. We had to have over lunch therapy sessions at work over the last episodes.
     
  18. NCC-73515

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    The visuals are always great, it's just that they're hiding nice things too much. But what really stood out as incredibly bad to me was the ultra-lame robotic "dow dow dow" weapons sound :brickwall:

    There was a Terran dagger involved, what we saw of the body looked male, and she yelled "San!", so I guess it was some male family member she killed and now she remembers how much she regrets it.

    A nice parallel to Raffi in PIC.

    Previous Trek characters cried in way less than half the episodes, and that made it more powerful. Burnham cries in way more than half the episodes, so it loses the impact it would otherwise have.

    Many Trek episodes deeply move me, and I know people who really cry all the time and don't even know themselves why they're "built so close to water". So it's not unrealistic or implausible, but the effect on the viewer wears off quickly (except those who will respond with "not me").

    Then they would change the uniforms as well

    She sneezed in transit and that caused a temporal anomaly that the Disco then bumped into. Interaction between the sneeze sound, the anomaly, the warp engines, and the spore drive caused a fatal and unexpected reaction that destroyed dilithium, with the side effect of seeding a melody in the subconscious of several cultures. Reversing the polarity of the fourier-transformed melody and colliding it with a graviton beam using the main deflector will dissolve the anomaly, and ...Admiral!!! There be ships here!!
     
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  19. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Call me biased, but the 32nd Century uniforms are not exactly a favorite of mine. Any excuse to stick with the old uniforms is a good one. I might as well just come right out and say it: I don't like the new uniforms. And I think they'd look garish on the Discovery sets if the entire crew wore them. No thanks.

    EDIT: And I don't think most people in-universe remember the Discovery uniforms. When they think of 23rd Century uniforms, they probably think of the TOS Uniforms or the Monster Maroons. The Disco Uniforms, in-universe, are a deep cut that virtually no one would be familiar with. "What's old is new again."
     
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  20. Tim Thomason

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    Officially, he was an Also Star.