Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x06 - "Scavengers"

[Starship]

I rationalize that Michael's emotions are all over the place because she was indoctrinated into a Vulcan lifestyle that humans aren't supposed to have. I mentioned elsewhere the way she deals with emotions now is like a kid denied the opportunity to play with super soaker toys suddenly being given a phaser rifle. Burnham kept a Vulcan like demeanor on the Shenzhou, but once the Battle of the Binary Stars happened she suddenly had to deal with emotions in ways that she never learned how to due to Vulcan conditioning

It can be a good explanation.
Like an "inverted" Spock.

 

[NCC-73515]

Yes, they have. But in real life we call persons like her boring. This is the trouble with the character.
Look at Saru, Georgiou, Staments... Surelly they have more charisma too.

Georgiou has charisma?!

 

[Tuskin38]

Do Discovery's consoles have new UI now? it seems like it to me.

 

[Starship]

Georgiou has charisma?!

She is bad, but the acctress surelly has charisma.
Like Khan (both actors: Montalban and Cumberbatch)

 

[Awesome Possum]

We see several Cardassians in this episode:

But why even go through the trouble of makeup and prosthetics if all they're gonna show is 10 ms of low-res stuff?

It could just be a pull over mask or there was a scene that got cut.

 

[Yistaan]

So no mention during the 3 week refit of anyone noticing Zora or the sphere data?

Also why have Book's powers never been mentioned again? He didn't try to grow something out of the ground to heal the Andorian, etc.

 

[Reyman]

SMG has made some comments offscreen about how Michael is not entirely sure that Starfleet is right for her any longer. I wonder if we're working towards her exiting the main character by the end of the season?

Maybe she leaves DISCO and joins the Section 31 series.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

This also reinforces the idea that the Enterprise-A wasn't a brand-new ship in the TOS Movies.

During Scotty's shakedown cruise report in ST V, he specifically says the A is a new ship.

 

[Photoman15]

My bad. Where did you get that part about the Yorktown? Doesn't appear to be canon.

It may not be canon, but it doesn't change the fact the original 1701 (refitted) was destroyed at the Genesis planet and another ship was christened 1701-A. A ship that most likely was already built and named because it was ready too fast. And had they waited, it would have been an Excelsior class, not Constitution.

 

[Tuskin38]

We have a rough location for the Federation/Starfleet HQ
https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1329437898630975489

 

[Photoman15]

Maybe she leaves DISCO and joins the Section 31 series.

That'd be like Kirk (Shatner) leaving TOS to be on a spin-off where he is not the star of the show.

 

[Discofan]

Maybe she leaves DISCO and joins the Section 31 series.

How many episodes were about Seven rejoining the collective or just leaving Voyager only to have her change her mind at the end of the episode? I'd say somewhere between five and ten.

How many times was T'Pol asked to leave Enterprise by the Vulcans?

 

[Forsythe]

Indeed, yes. Largely because she suppressed what had gone on with her parents and the Klingon attack. And then that trauma came roaring back. And, yes, she has to deal with them in a way she never did before. And she is still in the process of learning what it means to cope with these emotions after being taught that emotions are not to be expressed.

It takes its toll on a person.

I do not.

Burnham served aboard the Shenzhou for quite some time. When she first arrived, she was as Vulcan as they came. Under Georgiou's tutelage, she clearly allowed her emotions to come to surface. I think the idea is apt that she has gone from one extreme to another. Unfortunately, that one brief flashback doesn't cut it. I really think that aspect needed to be explored more, rather than me trying to fill in the blanks. (Broken record time: The Shenzhou would have been the show I wanted to see. That character arc from a human raised on Vulcan would have been interesting. If even for several episodes, or a full season. If wishes were horses... ) I just feel that Starfleet's first mutineer is still given a lot of leeway.

 

[Forsythe]

I need to go back and watch it again, but do I remember correctly that they left a hefty sum of dilithium at the salvage yards?

 

[fireproof78]

Burnham served aboard the Shenzhou for quite some time. When she first arrived, she was as Vulcan as they came. Under Georgiou's tutelage, she clearly allowed her emotions to come to surface. I think the idea is apt that she has gone from one extreme to another. Unfortunately, that one brief flashback doesn't cut it. I really think that aspect needed to be explored more, rather than me trying to fill in the blanks. (Broken record time: The Shenzhou would have been the show I wanted to see. That character arc from a human raised on Vulcan would have been interesting. If even for several episodes, or a full season. If wishes were horses... ) I just feel that Starfleet's first mutineer is still given a lot of leeway.

And she fell in line. As long as she had that structured environment that Georgiou provided. So, it all fell apart with the Klingon attack and Michael's own painful memories came roaring back.

I feel like Starfleet's first mutineer was railroaded for blame and sentenced and then she demonstrated service to the Federation in brokering peace.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

When Georgiou had her funny turn and flashback, I had the impression for one crazy second that she was reliving Captain Georgiou's death. Now that would have been metaphasic.

 

[Forsythe]

And she fell in line. As long as she had that structured environment that Georgiou provided. So, it all fell apart with the Klingon attack and Michael's own painful memories came roaring back.

I feel like Starfleet's first mutineer was railroaded for blame and sentenced and then she demonstrated service to the Federation in brokering peace.

I see what you're saying, but she did indeed slip Georgiou the Vulcan Micky, as it were.
I'm also willing to entertain that living on her own for a year has given her a sense of freedom to live outside Starfleet's guidelines.
The characterization can be defined and even rationalized. I think my main concern is the writers revisiting this whole "I need your trust" with emotional beats writ large by Burnham professing her loyalty, only to have her continually defy orders.
Again, if she had gone up the chain of command, convinced the Admiral, and gone on her mission whether he agreed or not, I may have been a little more sold on the whole thing. (And that would be a very Kirk thing to do.) And let's assume Admiral Vance gave the OK....that would still allow for some dramatic tension with Saru for going over his head. (Though well with her purview, that could be seen as a source of consternation for the Captain.)
I think my issue is more of how the story/script was approached. Maybe. I'm going in for a second viewing.

 

[fireproof78]

Again, if she had gone up the chain of command, convinced the Admiral, and gone on her mission whether he agreed or not, I may have been a little more sold on the whole thing. (And that would be a very Kirk thing to do.)

It's a Kirk thing to go against orders if he feels there is a compelling reason. Kirk put a diplomatic mission (I think) on hold for Spock's life. He violated numerous Starfleet regulations, including disobeying a direct order, theft of Starfleet property, destruction of Starfleet property, killing of Klingons under a false flag, sabotaging another Starfleet vessel, all in the name of saving one person. Our heroes do crazy things.

 

[jackoverfull]

Didn’t like this one at all...the beginning was really silly, the rest extremely predictable.

Here we go saving someone to get another mccguffin to solve a mystery in a way so obvious that the real mystery is how nobody thought about triangulation since the burn...Her we go with yet another “rogue mission”...here we go with more flashbacks of torture...the new systems might have been impressive, too bad they don’t look much different from what Discovery has had since day one...oh well, the commbadge is nice (but doesn’t look great: all the detail is lost in a shiny oval blob) and makes sense for the tricorder to be built in. And this is kinda the only positive thing I can think of. Well, that and the Adira parts.

What can I say? I hope the writing climbs back up again, because this was season 1 bad for me.

 

[Nyotarules]

It's a Kirk thing to go against orders if he feels there is a compelling reason. Kirk put a diplomatic mission (I think) on hold for Spock's life. He violated numerous Starfleet regulations, including disobeying a direct order, theft of Starfleet property, destruction of Starfleet property, killing of Klingons under a false flag, sabotaging another Starfleet vessel, all in the name of saving one person. Our heroes do crazy things.

But Kirk was an Alpha male, who did not cry all the time. You should realise by now female lead characters are held to different standards