What do you mean by this phrase? The description from tvtropes[1] does not fit Michael Burnham in any way.
1. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShooOutTheNewGuy?from=Main.ThePoochie
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x05 - "Die Trying"
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What do you mean by this phrase? The description from tvtropes[1] does not fit Michael Burnham in any way.
1. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShooOutTheNewGuy?from=Main.ThePoochie
Apologies in advance if this is spamming, but I'd like to copy a post of mine from another thread - but here's Jörg Hillebrand's 32nd century starship analysis updated after "Die Trying":
I also find this number to be too small for the time elapsed. Perhaps there's another calamity we don't know about during that span that drove it down.
Or, maybe there's ANOTHER great power that much of the rest of the galaxy joined up with that hasn't been revealed to us yet. I'm wondering if The Burn was intended to put the Feds out of business because they had a rival. Vance may be holding that out on Saru.
Saru: Admiral, you are hiding things from me about the Federation's lack of influence even outside the Burn!
Vance: Fine, I'll tell you the Federation has been having trouble expanding due to the Borg, the Dominion, and the Empire of Future Guy.
Saru: None of those organizations mean anything to me.
Vance: So what are you complaining about then? Maybe you guys should go catch up on the past thousand years instead of setting forth on a self proclaimed mission to undo the Burn in a ship that, outside of the spore drive, won't last 5 minutes against a modern garbage hauling freighter.
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I doubt they need to go so far. There are so many brainwashing techniques in Trek universe they probably have their own trademarked version.I hate to say this but, what if some tiny bit of Control has managed to survive and Glasses Guy infected the Empress with it?
Ha, I edited his dialogue to say undo the Burn.
One thing I noticed Discovery is getting right about 23rd century culture, (from Voyager: Flashback)
Janeway: Space must have seemed a whole lot bigger back then. It's not surprising they had to bend the rules a little. They were a little slower to invoke the Prime Directive, and a little quicker to pull their phasers. Of course, the whole bunch of them would be booted out of Starfleet today. But I have to admit, I would have loved to ride shotgun at least once with a group of officers like that.
That line definitely applies to the Discovery crew.
Anybody else noticed that the Barzan Family had a pet "Beauregard" plant.
Yes, definitely!
A decent episode. The Georgiou stuff was the most compelling part. What was with her at the end? Replaced with a hologram? Or just affected by the realisation she cared about Michael? The guy interviewing her seemed to be the smartest guy in the future Federation. He cut right through her usual bluster and bullshit like it was nothing.
I cringed hard at the start, where the crew are nerding out over the future ships. Why smack us over the head with Voyager-J and that a new Constitution class can hole 2000 people?
Kept waiting for Admiral Vance to go Full Admiral Marcus, but I'll give it until the finale.
Lots and lots of holograms in the future. Do they have rights, though?
How does a piece of music tie to the Burn? Hopefully better than nuBSG did with All Along the Watchtower.
I cringed hard at the start, where the crew are nerding out over the future ships. Why smack us over the head with Voyager-J and that a new Constitution class can hole 2000 people?
Kept waiting for Admiral Vance to go Full Admiral Marcus, but I'll give it until the finale.
Lots and lots of holograms in the future. Do they have rights, though?
How does a piece of music tie to the Burn? Hopefully better than nuBSG did with All Along the Watchtower.
People marveling over future tech though is realistic. I'm surprised there actually hasn't been more of that (Saru complaining the crew is spending too much time on the holodeck now or something). I mean this week alone tons of people in the real world are geeking out over the new Xboxes and PS5s.
If they're establishing that Terrans are the way they are due to some evil gene or something, I wouldn't be surprised if they literally deactivated that in Mirror Georgiou. Maybe that's why she was looking confused at the end.
Can't really undersign any of these.
It was stated exactly there. Why would the heroes not be expected? They have no motivation to try and approach in secrecy. Admiral Tal would have sent his greetings and a fair warning that he was coming home (although not mentioning the snow), and Admiral Vance would have responded.
Why should we have a problem with a Mystery Character? Every show needs those. And X-Files iconized how they should look and behave, and Cronenberg has it down pat.
A mystery indeed. Hoping to learn more about this, and the Emperor's relationship to the Future.
What story would there have been without it? The heroes phone the ship, tell the Captain to get a particular batch of seeds ready, jump to the ship, get the seeds, get back home?
I'm sure she handled that competently enough, off screen, when she had time.
I wonder why... It's not as if the heroes were in a hurry to get back or anything. I mean, they probably had two or three minutes to spare!
(The countdown of three hours to the demise of the refugees was for a rare once described realistically - it wasn't a countdown to the last minute or anything. But this also meant that there was no safety margin, and the sooner, the better.)
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It sounded more like they were ridiculing the idea of there existing anything akin to an evil gene...
...Which really is a pity, because the Mirror Side really is different, with that Different Quality of Light and all.
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Vance said something like, "If you guys mess up, it's on him", motioning to Saru.
So the real mystery was, what was Vance going to do to Saru if Discovery messed up? Would the crew find Vance eating Kelpien soup for dinner?
The close relationship with other characters certainly fits, and there's this which feels uncomfortably familiar:
Plus it's more the general sense of a character being aggressively shoved into the centre of everything. Again, it's one thing to have a lead character who is central to the narrative, but it's another to have flimsy if not outright nonsensical excuses to constantly thrust the character into key situations.
Meh, Terrans being susceptible to light could easily be a genetic difference yes... but not behavior.
For the writers to introduce a genetic strand for Terrans being 'evil' is just utterly silly.
I suspect this notion was introduced to try and rattle Georgiou as part of an interrogation technique (which also seemingly failed).
Its also possible that Starfleet needed a way to deal with potentially hostile Terrans that crossed into Prime universe... so they may have developed the technology to 'neutralize' them via some kind of behavioral conditioning technology and improved upon it by 32nd century.
Ooh... what if 32nd century Starfleet developed technology which would slowly turn Terrans into their Prime timeline counterparts?
Or we could have a Short Trek's series (2 episodes) that gets the crew up to speed. I think 40 mins would suffice.
More time for a robust story arc for each character. More of a chance for ensemble cast members to take the lead on an episode. More chances to do various genre in one series: westerns, comedies, procedurals, mysteries, romance, hard sci-fi, big concept shows, family dramas, etc.
Maybe just stripped of rank or something
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