I watched the episode again, still good a second time. Was there something funny about Georgious eyes when she was in that trance thing near the end?
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x05 - "Die Trying"
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It was more for the fans than the characters. A "phrase drop". Were five year missions a thing in the DISCO's era?
Depends on if you view Pike's Enterprise service since 2250 to when Discovery left as two consecutive five year missions, or part of a 15 year mission to 2265. And we don't know if his crew all stayed together.
We know Spock was with him for over a decade.
Sometimes I wonder if people making these criticisms have ever watched an episode of Star Trek. How many times has an episode started off with a captain's log exactly like the one Saru gives? Do you make this complaint every time Picard says, "we're rolling up on this planet for a meeting" without them actually wasting ten minutes of screen time with him waiting on hold while the supreme leader's secretary checks their calendar to see when it's a good time for the Enterprise to stop by?
I'm thinking the glasses wearing man (Kovich) debriefing Georgiou is the modern day version of Star Fleet Security / Section 31. His debrief might have included some mind control on Phillipa to make her an unwitting agent of his on Discovery.
11 years and an odd number of months and days(2252-63 or 2253-64).
This has absolutely nothing to do with the point i'm trying to make. It also wasn't the reasoning for separating the crew.
The crew of the enterprises D and E were never on 5 year missions and yet they all stayed together for 15 years. Spock should have been commanding a 5 year mission of his own and not remaining kirk's XO for nearly 30 years.
Second time through, still thought it was a solid 8. Probably the most intrigued yet trepidatious about the Georgiou / questioner dynamic, loved the Terran backfill but don't want a paint-by-the-numbers explanation of Georgiou's behavior, lest I not fetishize her any longer... Eli the happy AI was kind of weird, but in all nice visual imagining of future Starfleet. The entire "duh" scene was well played without dragging on. The Aiream tribute was nice, but honestly I'd rather have kept the character and explored it more to begin with. And why couldn't they have scheduled the next in line to man that seed repository--spore drive and all...? Finally, I hope we don't get too close to the Burnham must do everything point, because the ensemble crew is one of the better ones Trek has had, so plenty of heroism to go around. Hum that tune...
I think we haven't seen the last of Nhan. She wasn't killed off, so I think she'll find her way back to Discovery. Especially if Barzan isn't to her liking, or if she feels too removed from her people now.
I just read an interesting theory for Georgiou's strange behavior at the end of the episode. "She's" not really Emperor Georgiou but a holographic copy made by David Cronenberg to infiltrate and comingle with the crew of Discovery as espionage. Cronenberg's character may well be the 32nd century version of Section 31 and thus using Georgiou to monitor Discovery for signs of malevolent intent and deliberate time travel to disrupt the future Federation.
There was a mention of Cronenberg adjusting and fidgeting with his glasses, which in this theory may be a camera of sorts to scan and create a holographic copy of an individual which then can be uploaded with behavioral subroutines to mimic the original individual.
There was a mention of Cronenberg adjusting and fidgeting with his glasses, which in this theory may be a camera of sorts to scan and create a holographic copy of an individual which then can be uploaded with behavioral subroutines to mimic the original individual.
Maybe the Phillipa Georgiou is a advanced Synth/Golem created as a copy of Georgiou with all her memory engrams copied over into the Synth/Golem body and sent as a sleeper agent to monitor the Discovery crew to see if they are real or long term infiltrators of some sort by David Cronenberg.
We'll have to see if Georgiou ever blinks.
Everything we've seen over fifty years suggests the opposite. Not just the hero ships either - Picard was on the Stargazer for years. Starfleet seem to like stability and long assignments. O'Brien served on, what, three assignments that we know of over nearly thirty years?
I’m hoping the Georgiou thing is more interesting than her being replaced with an AI copy or made a sleeper agent. We already had similar in s1 with Voooq. We learned from Cronenberg a few interesting tidbits such as the Mirror universe now being further away from the prime universe, and some kind of genetic predisposition to savagery (can’t remember the exact words, would need to rewatch). I’m hoping her unusual behaviour might be something to do with those.
i hope this is not the case. I mean: she was in a room with holographic capabilities and totally under his control, if he wanted to scan her he should have had plenty of equipment there, no need to do it covertly with a pair of glasses.
He said there was some kind of gene responsible for their behaviour, mirrors the so called "evil gene" science of the 90s here.
I thought the Admiral trying to break the crew up the way he did was absolutely stupid and kinda took me out of the episode for a bit, it seemed there just go give Burnham a chance to start acting up again and really bothered me. Remember Scotty in friggin Relics? That was only a few decades out of time and he was completely lost when it came to the tech. Even Picard didn't like using holotech on the ship in Picard. How the hell are they gonna be reassigned effectively?
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