Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

[Michael]

Michael isn't very good at operating the suit. The Kaminar wormhole is open for a very long time, well after she departs, while all the others open and close quickly, suggesting that it is a significant tear in space/time.

Sounds like a sensible explanation, even though I don‘t really feel that‘s what the writers wanted to convey. But still, wouldn‘t her wormhole only connect Kaminar with the place and time from where she is opening it (i.e. not the far future), irrespective of how long it stays open?

 

[cooleddie74]

That's how season finales are supposed to be: Leaving you wanting more.

If only that were the meaning I intended.

 

[Alan Roi]

Sounds like a sensible explanation, even though I don‘t really feel that‘s what the writers wanted to convey. But still, wouldn‘t her wormhole only connect Kaminar with the place and time from where she is opening it (i.e. not the far future), irrespective of how long it stays open?

We've seen in Star Trek that unstable time/spacewormholes can lead all over the place, even multiple different locations in a short period of time.

 

[Ovation]

I got all that. The question remains, though: How did the Disco probe get into the far future and back if the plothole wormhole it went through only led to Burnham a couple of weeks into the future, as we saw in the finale?

At a guess (giant grain of salt, of course)? Burnham's wormhole was a matter of historical record 500 years later and the "future probe senders" had access to another tech that could piggyback on hers, expanding the range, but was not identical tech and could not work without her initial signal.

Or it's all timey-wimey stuff that bears little scrutiny (see my point about time travel stories in general).

 

[Alan Roi]

When you cancel, they don't know that it's because you HATE DISCO. So they offer incentives to stay on, just like every other subscription service. You don't have to accept the offers. You know that, right? And that you can unsubscribe from future offers?

I love Trek fans.

What there isn't an I HATE DISCO button on the CBSAA site which allows you not only to cancel your subscription, but ensure the series to doesn't get another season by pressing on it repeatedly and angrily? That would explain certain deep held beliefs to me. I can't check myself, as I don't live in the US so can't subscribe.

 

[fireproof78]

Or it's all timey-wimey stuff that bears little scrutiny (see my point about time travel stories in general

Yup. Time travel is thin at its best.

 

[MrPointy]

I'd say this was a low 8. I don't think the finale resolved everything the way I wanted it to, but it was entertaining. Like a better executed Endgame. Great eye candy.

 

[Mr. Nova]

I thought the final signal was simply to make it clear they had survived and not that Discovery itself was 51,000 ly away?

The final signal was sent back through the wormhole from the other side right after Discovery cleared the wormhole. Since this end of the wormhole is in the 23rd century near where the battle took place, that is where the signal appears, not 950 years in the future across the galaxy.

 

[Mr. Nova]

The Andromeda Galaxy?

It's probably such an advanced letter that we haven't invented it yet!

1701pi

 

[Mechanoid1]

When you cancel, they don't know that it's because you HATE DISCO. So they offer incentives to stay on, just like every other subscription service. You don't have to accept the offers. You know that, right? And that you can unsubscribe from future offers?

I love Trek fans.

There is a form with standard reasons why you quit. The last one is Other and a box to fill in why you are leaving CBSAA. Thats where you can tell them why.

 

[cooleddie74]

The final signal was sent back through the wormhole from the other side right after Discovery cleared the wormhole. Since this end of the wormhole is in the 23rd century near where the battle took place, that is where the signal appears, not 950 years in the future across the galaxy.

Thank you. I was trying to figure that out myself since it would take light thousands of years to reach the Enterprise's sensors from Terralysia but then this is a franchise where the light from an exploding star is seen to go dim from a planetary surface as soon as the explosion happens.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Maybe I missed something, but what happened that prevented the future that Burnham saw from becoming reality? I'm talking about Control walking on the bridge and killing everyone, for some reason he lost his sense of aim.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned in the 90+ pages.

PLOT ARMOUR..... It's the solution to everything and that's why he could not aim properly because the plot armour hampered the nanites.

 

[cooleddie74]

Leland is an Imperial Stormtrooper in his spare time.

 

[Mr. Nova]

There were certainly a lot of rocks.

I always think of it as charcoal brickettes.

 

[Iconian]

I liked the finale. Things that bothered me, though:
1) Where did all those shuttles/fighters come from? And for that matter, why pursue SW/BSG type "air war" instead of Trek's traditional "naval combat" style?
2) Klingon/Kelpian reinforcements, but no Starfleet help. How come?
3) What's up with this Tyler fellow having free passage on both Starfleet and the Klingon Empire? Something's got to give...
4) Are Admirals supposed to disarm torpedos?
5) It shouldn't be so easy to manufacture the "Red Angel" suit.
6) Section 31's fiasco with "Control" doesn't seem to be a good enough reason to classify Discovery and the spore drive.
Anyway, here's hoping the writers take advantage of all the opportunities Discovery's season 3 will offer.

 

[DaveyNY]

I believe that the Original Seven Signals seen by Spock and then Star Fleet, is part of the Faith aspect of story.
(but it got lost by the wayside when the changes in staffing took place)

Somehow and in someway, it was meant to convey that the "Universe" projected the signals for all to see as an advanced warning of what was to come..

It's probably not logical at all, but then again having Faith very rarely is.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Will we ever get an explanation as to why Sarek imposed Starfleet General Order 7 (punishable by death) on the topic of Sybok?

 

[Ovation]

Will we ever get an explanation as to why Sarek imposed Starfleet General Order 7 (punishable by death) on the topic of Sybok?

It was in the post credits scene in ST:TFF that was cut for lack of budget.

 

[Fateor]

Its Star Trek. Everyone is that smart.

The only one that that's smart is Data, and only then because he has superspeed.

The initial seven signals I don‘t know.

Do you remember the anti-time eruption from All Good Things?

The initial seven signals were explained as basically being something like that from the signals Burnham sent.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

The only one that that's smart is Data, and only then because he has superspeed.

No. Clearly you missed all the episodes where characters can understand and use alien computer systems without even understanding the written language.