Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

[Fateor]

Or are they could have started a dialogue and Baul decided (assuming they believed all sentient life was in trouble including themselves) to let the Kelpians take the risk of fighting for them.

Why would the Ba'ul believe anything the Kelpians claim?

If Saru is any indication, Kelpiens are incredibly fast learners. Considering Saru was able to learn how to reconstitute Ba'ul technology to create a subspace transmitter, he was also able to learn 90 Federation languages. I feel like learning how to pilot a Ba'ul ighter would be child's play for the Kelpiens

They would have to magically learn enough programing and engineering to disable the vessels remote access, override their command codes, and disable their self destruct in something like a month.

Nobody is that smart.

 

[Noname Given]

I‘m not sure what ”advanced technology definitely from the far future“ even means anymore in Discovery. They were sure the Red Angel suit must be from the future as well. Maybe they erred again when they analyzed the probe and it really wasn‘t future tech?

Come to think of it, it would have been kind of clever if it wasn‘t their probe coming out of the portal but one of the various Control/Section 31 attack vehicles we saw in the finale, piggybacking its way through the portal Burnham was creating to travel back to Kaminar.

In the episode an ST: D probe was sent into a Temporal anomaly; and came back from 500 years in the future (that was in dialogue via Ash and Pike in the Shuttle), and it was that same Probe that infected Merriam; which head to the events of Meriam sacrificing herself and a version of Control appropriating Leland to make certain the current version of Control got the data it needed to make the Timeline where Control succeeds play out.

 

[Discofan]

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They would have to magically learn enough programing and engineering to disable the vessels remote access, override their command codes, and disable their self destruct in something like a month.

Nobody is that smart.

When it comes to alien smart, you can never know.

Kelpians have a list of impressive gifts. They are incredibly strong, they run extremely fast, they learn at an incredible speed... plus other things that we don't know... yet.

 

[Kemaiku]

When it comes to alien smart, you can never know.

Especially one hundreds of thousands of years old, having amassed nearly the intellect of V'ger.

 

[Attentiveluke]

Most badass hour of telly I've ever seen besides Game of Thrones and its big battles!

What did you like about the battle?. The starfleet fighters?. 31 ships struggling against 2?. The Kelpians?. The Klingons turning up which you could see coming a mile off?. The Star Wars droids repairing the ships?. I guess style over substance works for some people..

In short: a far better season finale than last year's but still extremely flawed and frustrating.

I suppose a punch in the gut is better than being shot in the face.

That's how season finales are supposed to be: Leaving you wanting more.

No. Cancellation please CBS

 

[Discofan]

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No

How could you possibly disagree with what I said?

 

[oberth]

That's how season finales are supposed to be: Leaving you wanting more.

No

right, the idea behind a season finale is having the customer think 'fortunately i now have had enough of that shit - might as well get a life again!'

 

[Discofan]

right, the idea behind a season finale is having the customer think 'fortunately i now have had enough of that shit - might as well get a life again!'

 

[The Butter Phantom]

What did you like about the battle?

I really liked the scene where the Emperor and Leland were fighting, and I really liked the stuff with Michael. But more generally, I liked how bombastic it was. I didn't know Star Trek could ever pull off a Star Wars space battle, and they did.

 

[Discofan]

I really liked the scene where the Emperor and Leland were fighting, and I really liked the stuff with Michael. But more generally, I liked how bombastic it was. I didn't know Star Trek could ever pull off a Star Wars space battle, and they did.

Until Discovery came along, the best Battle scenes were on DS9.

 

[SJGardner]

I really liked the scene where the Emperor and Leland were fighting, and I really liked the stuff with Michael. But more generally, I liked how bombastic it was. I didn't know Star Trek could ever pull off a Star Wars space battle, and they did.

I just loved how brutal, chaotic and visceral it was. Earlier in this thread I described it as the World War 2 meatgrinder to the Napoleonic monumentality of DS9, whose big battles are a long-time favorite of mine.

 

[Discofan]

I just loved how brutal, chaotic and visceral it was. Earlier in this thread I described it as the World War 2 meatgrinder to the Napoleonic monumentality of DS9, whose big battles are a long-time favorite of mine.

What's the World War 1 of that allegory?

... I mean simile...

 

[Galaxy]

What I still do not quite get; Burnham went back in time to create the signals, but who created the 7 simultaneous signals in Brother, one of which disabled the Enterprise -via the holographic communication system- when she approached one. Which if the 7 signals did the Enterprise approach?

 

[thribs]

I’d love to know what the original plan was for this season. See if it made more sense than this.

 

[Discofan]

I’d love to know what the original plan was for this season. See if it made more sense than this.

To be entertaining... and it's a success!! Or as the Klingons say: Qapla!!

 

[Galaxy]

So way back when the shuttle with Tyler and Pike was attacked by the probe from the future (which, as it turns out, through Airiam later made 23rd century Control the danger it became), the probe was coming through a time portal over Kaminar created by the Red Angel the episode before that. This was way back when they said the Red Angel suit was from the future and it made sense that the altered probe coming through the time portal was from the far future as well. Problem is, in the finale it is established that it was Michael Burnham (!) creating the portal, time traveling from a point only a couple of weeks into the future. So why was that Control probe coming through the same portal?

One could explain it in that it is similar to the anomaly from All Good Things which is visible/accessible all over the timeline. However I doubt that the writers thought it through like that.

 

[SJGardner]

What's the World War 1 of that allegory?

... I mean simile...

Well, now I'm not even sure the meat grinder doesn't refer to World War 1... both have been described by historians as meat grinders, I believe.

 

[137th Gebirg]

What I still do not quite get; Burnham went back in time to create the signals, but who created the 7 simultaneous signals in Brother, one of which disabled the Enterprise -via the holographic communication system- when she approached one. Which if the 7 signals did the Enterprise approach?

That’s stuck in my mind as well. There were two distinct sets of signals. The second set of individual signals were proven to be from Michael. No explanation as to the first set, aside from possibly some “it’s the universe giving them a preview of what’s to come”, but those signals appeared to be scattered all over the galaxy, the way they were shown. All of Michael’s signals were within warping distance of each other, possibly all within the same quadrant. And mama Burnham had no hand in their creation either, so...

 

[Discofan]

Well, now I'm not even sure the meat grinder doesn't refer to World War 1... both have been described by historians as meat grinders, I believe.

Sounds about right. WWI was definitely a meat grinder.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

right, the idea behind a season finale is having the customer think 'fortunately i now have had enough of that shit - might as well get a life again!'

That's more like a series finale. Like when Orphan Black ended and I thought "now what the hell do I do on Saturday nights?"