You do realize that you can self-cancel, right? Because CBS ain't gonna cancel Disco any time soon.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"
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All of Michael’s signals were within warping distance of each other, possibly all within the same quadrant. And mama Burnham had no hand in their creation either, so...
Except for the one at Terralisium (sp?) which was 50 years away at high warp.
That brings up the issue of how Starfleet could - in the pre TOS era - create a suit that can transport people from WWIII all the way there, something that it's starships could not do.
I think the original plan was for the Red Angel to be from the future/Preserver/Q whatever. And then they botched it.
You do realize that you can self-cancel, right? Because CBS ain't gonna cancel Disco any time soon.
The later, the better!
The Project Promethius Suit was shown to create wormholes that the suit could fly through and transport others in. (how it transported a church when Discovery required shielding.. I dont know)
A wormhole acting stably as an Einstein-Rosen bridge, essentially what they seem to be showing, would act much like the one in Interstellar, creating a fold in spacetime without violating causation. Bizarrely the Red Angel suit makes more sense than warp drive or transporters or a lot of other star trek stuff.
Warp Drive is just an Alcubierre Drive, it makes enough sense. And it is really not as much about how this it possible than if this is possible then why not give Starships 'Red Engines'? Why isn't everyone doing this if a meagre technological understanding of 23th century Federation is capable of producing it? This show has introduced not one but two completely revolutionary travel methods that blow out of water pretty much everything anyone outside Q has ever had in the entire franchise.
It's a good thing V'ger didn't know about the spore drive or it could have come to Earth much earlier and dealt with its infection much quicker.
What a charming and not at all condescending response to someone simply stating an opinion contrary to your own. Your opinion is not the holy grail. Nobody's is. Nobody should look down on what another person likes. How is that helpful anywhere? And wishing for cancellation even though many of us like the show? Even though there are many jobs tied to it? Wow. Just...wow. Not a very nice sentiment, to put it mildly.
As Einstein stated space and time are descriptions of the same phenomena. And Saru opined that the bursts could be tears in the space time continuum.
Spock knew of the seven signals because the mind meld timescrambled his mind and he genuinely saw events in a non linear fashion.
He didn’t just read Gabrielle‘s mind.
Not dissimilar to how the Bajoran Prophets See things, except he couldn’t differentiate the present anymore until the Talosian‘s fixed him.
The initial seven signals I don‘t know.
Initially I thought , maybe they were deliberately set up at different times and places to get picked up at a specific point where the light would arrive at the same time to draw attention.
But that would mean they were sent in the deep past.
Still wouldn’t rule it out, but that still leaves the present signals as independent events.
So most likely it‘s a causality goof by the writers.
He didn’t just read Gabrielle‘s mind.
Not dissimilar to how the Bajoran Prophets See things, except he couldn’t differentiate the present anymore until the Talosian‘s fixed him.
The initial seven signals I don‘t know.
Initially I thought , maybe they were deliberately set up at different times and places to get picked up at a specific point where the light would arrive at the same time to draw attention.
But that would mean they were sent in the deep past.
Still wouldn’t rule it out, but that still leaves the present signals as independent events.
So most likely it‘s a causality goof by the writers.
Yes its real easy, and when you do cancel. They offer you 2 months free if you sign up for another years service. When you reject that offer, they send you a confirmation via Email. That Email gives you a link to reactivate your CBSAA for a latter date.You do realize that you can self-cancel, right? Because CBS ain't gonna cancel Disco any time soon.
So for me, I think if everyone shuts off CBSAA now that Disco is over. That will light a fire under the execs to get more star trek shows playing year round hence a steady stream of subscriptions.
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Its Star Trek. Everyone is that smart.
They've already stated that is their intention, and that is what they are working on. You're lighting a fire under an active volcano.
'I don't like it, so it needs to go away and the people who do like it need to be denied the chance to watch something they enjoy'
Your attitude is an example of everything that is wrong with the Star Trek fanbase and you should be ashamed of yourself.
I hate to say just stop watching, but you could just stop watching.
Got a chance to give this a sober re-watch (my wine-fuelled rating was BEST. TREK. EVAH. A TEN.) Going purely on entertainment, I'd keep the 10/10 but I don't think it quite ranks as BEST. EVAH.
I have also managed to wade through the entire 97 page thread--don't think I'll ever attempt that again for any thread (too many other things to do). I will not try to answer every point I saw with which I differ (too many, and I can't recall them all anyway). But here's some of what I thought of the episode.
The Good:
As with pretty much the whole series, but especially in S2, the visuals are fantastic. I very much appreciate the move to 2.35:1 AR, allowing for more cinematic framing and staging. This AR gave the wide angle shots of the space battle an appropriate scale.
Pike, Spock and Number One--so when is the series (or set of mini-series) going to debut? Tomorrow? No? Well, get on that ASAP.
The "why still go to the future?" bit that seems to bother some people--could have been made clearer, but I found the sequence of "Control is neutralized" (announced by a less than fully reliable narrator), the Control ships are all dead in the water, and entering the wormhole at a seemingly slow pace to be an only partially successful attempt at illustrating the time dilation effects that should be occurring as they approach the wormhole horizon (though I'm no physicist, so I stand ready to be corrected--worked well enough for me in the moment). Though perhaps not entirely successful, I appreciated the effort. Similarly, I just assumed the mini-jumps made by Burnham required only a fraction of the power necessary to make the full, long jump ahead AND no one knew about the mini-jumps being necessary when discussing the plan originally. Plus, we have no way of knowing the consequences of having used some of the energy before the big jump--something to explore next year.
And the effects of the time travel? No time travel story withstands scrutiny. Best to just take them as they come and assess them on whether they entertain--your cardiac system will thank you (mine has been grateful since I stopped dissecting such stories
).
The Bad:
Leaving the 23rd century. TOS Trek is my favourite, as is the era around it. I am a MUCH BIGGER fan of TOS Trek's vision of the future than the more antiseptic, utopian TNG version (I like all Trek--so far--so I'm not a hater of TNG Trek. I simply don't like all of it equally and was happy to be back in the "playground" of TOS era Trek). I will certainly watch the show in its new setting--and it may become my favourite (DSC is second only to TOS as it is). But right now, I'm disappointed to be leaving this era behind. Of course, a Pike series would be a good way to mitigate my disappointment (Hint, Hint).
The Ugly:
None.
Reading through the commentary here (this episode and the entire series) leaves me more convinced than ever that the producers should NOT "listen to the fans" (in the sense of trying to please any particular subset of them). The disparate notions of "the fans" expressed here (let alone elsewhere on the internet) is irrefutable proof that such an approach is a fool's errand. We've had posters try to (unsuccessfully) "speak for the old fans", others point to all sorts of elements they view as highly flawed (sometimes irredeemably), still others embrace those same elements as features, not bugs, etc.
I freely admit that, for Trek (and Bond movies), I just go with the flow (I came to each in my childhood, so I tend to be especially forgiving). I put away the critical viewing "hat" I often need to employ when evaluating material for use in my classes (I can pick apart any historical feature film or novel with the best of the pros--it's been an ongoing element of my teaching for over two decades). As the years pass by, I am increasingly inclined to leave that "hat" off for anything non-work related. So while I can certainly see the kinds of logical flaws, inconsistencies, etc., that irritate a number of viewers (long ago, I would have shared many, if not all, of those irritations, though more so in non-Trek material), I have mainly become focused on performances and the feelings any piece of art (film, painting, music, literature, etc.) evoke, rather than the forms (exceptions being material with which I teach). Consequently, DSC has managed to vault very high on my list of Trek because of the strength of the cast and the performances they provide.
Well, probably too much rambling, so I'll wrap this up. I'm still enjoying the ride, and hope to do so for years to come.
I have also managed to wade through the entire 97 page thread--don't think I'll ever attempt that again for any thread (too many other things to do). I will not try to answer every point I saw with which I differ (too many, and I can't recall them all anyway). But here's some of what I thought of the episode.
The Good:
As with pretty much the whole series, but especially in S2, the visuals are fantastic. I very much appreciate the move to 2.35:1 AR, allowing for more cinematic framing and staging. This AR gave the wide angle shots of the space battle an appropriate scale.
Pike, Spock and Number One--so when is the series (or set of mini-series) going to debut? Tomorrow? No? Well, get on that ASAP.
The "why still go to the future?" bit that seems to bother some people--could have been made clearer, but I found the sequence of "Control is neutralized" (announced by a less than fully reliable narrator), the Control ships are all dead in the water, and entering the wormhole at a seemingly slow pace to be an only partially successful attempt at illustrating the time dilation effects that should be occurring as they approach the wormhole horizon (though I'm no physicist, so I stand ready to be corrected--worked well enough for me in the moment). Though perhaps not entirely successful, I appreciated the effort. Similarly, I just assumed the mini-jumps made by Burnham required only a fraction of the power necessary to make the full, long jump ahead AND no one knew about the mini-jumps being necessary when discussing the plan originally. Plus, we have no way of knowing the consequences of having used some of the energy before the big jump--something to explore next year.
And the effects of the time travel? No time travel story withstands scrutiny. Best to just take them as they come and assess them on whether they entertain--your cardiac system will thank you (mine has been grateful since I stopped dissecting such stories
).The Bad:
Leaving the 23rd century. TOS Trek is my favourite, as is the era around it. I am a MUCH BIGGER fan of TOS Trek's vision of the future than the more antiseptic, utopian TNG version (I like all Trek--so far--so I'm not a hater of TNG Trek. I simply don't like all of it equally and was happy to be back in the "playground" of TOS era Trek). I will certainly watch the show in its new setting--and it may become my favourite (DSC is second only to TOS as it is). But right now, I'm disappointed to be leaving this era behind. Of course, a Pike series would be a good way to mitigate my disappointment (Hint, Hint).
The Ugly:
None.
Reading through the commentary here (this episode and the entire series) leaves me more convinced than ever that the producers should NOT "listen to the fans" (in the sense of trying to please any particular subset of them). The disparate notions of "the fans" expressed here (let alone elsewhere on the internet) is irrefutable proof that such an approach is a fool's errand. We've had posters try to (unsuccessfully) "speak for the old fans", others point to all sorts of elements they view as highly flawed (sometimes irredeemably), still others embrace those same elements as features, not bugs, etc.
I freely admit that, for Trek (and Bond movies), I just go with the flow (I came to each in my childhood, so I tend to be especially forgiving). I put away the critical viewing "hat" I often need to employ when evaluating material for use in my classes (I can pick apart any historical feature film or novel with the best of the pros--it's been an ongoing element of my teaching for over two decades). As the years pass by, I am increasingly inclined to leave that "hat" off for anything non-work related. So while I can certainly see the kinds of logical flaws, inconsistencies, etc., that irritate a number of viewers (long ago, I would have shared many, if not all, of those irritations, though more so in non-Trek material), I have mainly become focused on performances and the feelings any piece of art (film, painting, music, literature, etc.) evoke, rather than the forms (exceptions being material with which I teach). Consequently, DSC has managed to vault very high on my list of Trek because of the strength of the cast and the performances they provide.
Well, probably too much rambling, so I'll wrap this up. I'm still enjoying the ride, and hope to do so for years to come.
I got all that. The question remains, though: How did the Disco probe get into the far future and back if the
Also: Who‘s ”Merriam“? Airiam‘s boring sister?
When you cancel, they don't know that it's because you HATE DISCO. So they offer incentives to stay on, just like every other subscription service. You don't have to accept the offers. You know that, right? And that you can unsubscribe from future offers?
I love Trek fans.
I just hope this was something that the producers wanted to do and not that they felt they needed to do. The last thing we need is a faction of fandom to be high and mighty that there were "right" and the show showed have moved forward. On the other hand, the change fits more like Bryan Fuller's original anthology plan - different time periods.
One thing I am unclear about - they set course for 930 years in the future to time it to meet up with Gabrielle Burnham on Terralysium. The thing was - wasn't the Terralysium to which Gabrielle traveled in the timeline where Control wins? So if we go on the assumption that the Discovery and Enterprise crews completely defeated Control, and they time traveled, they should end up at Terralysium in the timeline where Control fell in the 23rd century. So what happens to Gabrielle: erased from the timeline? Is she going to be like Jennifer sleeping on the porch in the last two Back to the Future films (where she stayed where she was located but wthout the timeline changes affecting her)?
One thing I am unclear about - they set course for 930 years in the future to time it to meet up with Gabrielle Burnham on Terralysium. The thing was - wasn't the Terralysium to which Gabrielle traveled in the timeline where Control wins? So if we go on the assumption that the Discovery and Enterprise crews completely defeated Control, and they time traveled, they should end up at Terralysium in the timeline where Control fell in the 23rd century. So what happens to Gabrielle: erased from the timeline? Is she going to be like Jennifer sleeping on the porch in the last two Back to the Future films (where she stayed where she was located but wthout the timeline changes affecting her)?
I got all that. The question remains, though: How did the Disco probe get into the far future and back if theplotholewormhole it went through only led to Burnham a couple of weeks into the future, as we saw in the finale?
Also: Who‘s ”Merriam“? Airiam‘s boring sister?
Michael isn't very good at operating the suit. The Kaminar wormhole is open for a very long time, well after she departs, while all the others open and close quickly, suggesting that it is a significant tear in space/time.
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