Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

[oberth]

The blast door thing just doesn't work irrespective of the door. We see the windows on the room where the torpedo is lodged, so it is on the outer rim of the saucer, yet later we see that a huge chunk of the saucer is gone. The area where the Pike is standing behind the door was literally in middle of nothing.

yep - they beamed him into the turbolift

 

[cultcross]

I might have misunderstood something – he had to know he would not have died.

But he only didn't die because he left, that's the point. He hasn't got some magic invulnerability spell, he just had a vision of the future. A future which included him leaving the Admiral to pull the hatch.

 

[DaveyNY]

Again, I have no idea how ”sacrifice“ figures into Pike‘s thoughts at that moment. Because he knew he wouldn‘t die and there wouldn‘t be a sacrifice. So what does ”instinct for self-sacrifice“ even mean in that context?

That's why I think the memory he got from the Time Crystal began to fade once he left Boreth.
I don't believe that he feels he's invincible at all, he was just being himself at that point with Cornwell.
He just has this nagging feeling in the back of his mind that something dreadful is waiting for him in the future but he's not sure what it is.

 

[Longinus]

That we know that Pike won't evade the beep chair doesn't mean that he knows it for certain. It is just a vision from touching some weird rock and some shady Klingon cultist saying it is so. Certain scepticism regarding such things is warranted.

 

[BillJ]

They did not have to spell it out for me, so I guess I might be their intended audience.

Guess I'm just not as smart as you.

 

[DaveyNY]

since when does a forcefield need a mechanical switch in a door frame?

You missed the point, the door had to be completely closed for that particular energy shield to function.

The Manual lever is there in case the door isn't able to close by remote control.
We've seen that type of function in Trek episodes several times before.

 

[oberth]

Guess I'm just not as smart as you.

did you say gullible?

 

[Alan Roi]

The blast door thing just doesn't work irrespective of the door. We see the windows on the room where the torpedo is lodged, so it is on the outer rim of the saucer, yet later we see that a huge chunk of the saucer is gone. The area where the Pike is standing behind the door was literally in middle of nothing.

I don't think those are windows. Beside, we already saw that the torpedo impacted about halfway along the saucer section.

 

[oberth]

You missed the point, the door had to be completely closed for that particular energy shield to function.

The Manual lever is there in case the door isn't able to close by remote control.
We've seen that type of function in Trek episodes several times before.

let's say in my headcanon they just wanted to spectacularily kill off the admiral

 

[oberth]

I don't think those are windows. Beside, we already saw that the torpedo impacted about halfway along the saucer section.

reminds me: wtf is there a corridor right at the 'edge' of the hull?

 

[Kemaiku]

I don't think those are windows. Beside, we already saw that the torpedo impacted about halfway along the saucer section.

The readouts and caps show it much closer to the edge.

 

[Alan Roi]

did you say gullible?

 

[Longinus]

I don't think those are windows. Beside, we already saw that the torpedo impacted about halfway along the saucer section.

They were definitely windows, it was the same briefing room we saw in the last episode. The effects team fucked up. But I'm sure you will defend this to the death too.

 

[Alan Roi]

But I'm sure you will defend this to the death too.

*sigh*

Yes, I checked, they are windows, but the light is shining down into the room through the windows from about a 50 degree angle, suggesting that they were 'inset' at an angle into the saucer section and not along the edge of the hull. So, no, I don't think the FX team fucked up here. They may have been a bit cheap and a bit expedient at worst.

 

[Discofan]

That material is probably either to difficult to mas construct, ridiculously dense and/or would probably make the ship unweildly to fly or go into warp if it was.

It's because it's made of unobtainium and the Na'vi are firmly opposed to extensive mining...

 

[DaveyNY]

I've watched the last five minutes of the episode 10 or 12 times now and it still gives me a bit of a thrill to see the pull-out from the Enterprise bridge up through the dome and the mixing of Discovery's theme with the Classic theme.

 

[oberth]

just had an idea about the section 31 show - tyler is the new section 31 supremo and when georgiou comes back from the future she's immediately tasked with hunting him down (would explain the nicer yeoh we are supossed to see)

sorry if somebody allready came up with this idea but i'm on page 13 from the other end)

 

[Discofan]

The R2D2s aren't new, we see them repaint the hull when they get in the mirror universe.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

It is fine to acknowledge a plothole and not care, and this particular plot hole isn't a big deal for me. It is blatantly ridiculous, but doesn't really break the logic of the whole story. I just pretend that Pike actually turbolifted away before the explosion. There are way more egregious holes in this story and those I couldn't overlook.

I usually do this, too: if the mistake or plot-hole or whatever doesn't bother me too much, I just hand-wave it. It just depends on what you deem important and what not, which, in the end, is subjective. I enjoyed the episode on an emotional level. That doesn't mean I don't see that some things don't exactly make sense.

 

[oberth]

I usually do this, too: if the mistake or plot-hole or whatever doesn't bother me too much, I just hand-wave it. It just depends on what you deem important and what not, which, in the end, is subjective. I enjoyed the episode on an emotional level. That doesn't mean I don't see that some things don't exactly make sense.

when it comes to relastic entertainment let me tell you this

in the 80s heyne came up with copstories that were written by actual cops (the binding had holes like real filecovers) and should be about real policework. i bought the first two that came out. the concept was dead within three years - and rightfully so

i don't want any fricking realistic entertainment - if i were into this i would be watching paint try in the rain