Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

[Amasov]

In many cases, the show reminds me of LOST. I was a big BIG fan of that show back when it was airing. I remember having some great conversations here about it, actually. And like LOST, Discovery this season was throwing so much at you, by the time the end of the season was approaching (or in LOST's case, the end of the series), I began to wonder how and IF they'd be able to settle all of this.

LOST decided to only answer the questions it felt were important.

 

[Alan Roi]

it was the enterprise - and she sure as hell has a chief engineer

And yet somehow the Enterprises chief engineer couldn't save the ship in Wrath of Khan, that had to be done by its former captain.

 

[Kemaiku]

And yet somehow the Enterprises chief engineer couldn't save the ship in Wrath of Khan, that had to be done by its former captain.

He could have, if he had the time to get into the radiation suit and do what Spock did with the right equipment. Anyone going in there had to do it by hand and therefore die, that wasn't a suggestion he was going to make.

 

[Cake]

Not to belabor the point, but I guess the Pike/Cornwell scene rubs me the wrong way, because to me it makes Pike look kinda selfish and cowardly to let the good admiral die when – and again, I might have misunderstood something – he had to know he would not have died.

The way the monk Klingon described it, Pike really can't change his fate. In the context of the scene it was of course meant in a negative way, that he can't prevent his gruesome radiation. But on the other hand that also must mean, that he can't die earlier.

Cornwell though had a really good point. Who knows if his future is really already written? Despite what the monk Klingon has said, Pike might be able to die earlier and the Enterprise still needed him on the bridge. Spock said something similar to Burnham in another scene, that the future is still unwritten. Burnham also saw the future when she touched the time crystal in 2x13 and she was able to change what she saw. Pike might be able to do this, too. And even if not, he has still some time in front of him and seeking death is kind of stupid when you are otherwise healthy and happy and still needed.

 

[oberth]

Burnham also saw the future when she touched the time crystal in 2x13 and she was able to change what she saw. Pike might be able to do this, too.

thought they established a nice conduit to split off another parallel universum if they chose to in the future. maybe be we get a (black) janine kirk next

 

[Kemaiku]

The thing I mentioned before was, the crystal was already touching the ship when Burnham and Reno saw what they did.

Leland did come onboard, the torpedo did hit the Enterprise, so both ships future was not technically altered. So Pike's accident may happen to him, just not necessarily to the exact J-class ship he saw.

There's some wiggle room for the ship/person divide.

 

[Cake]

One thing in the finale that wasn't clear to me is how many of Discovery's crew actually stayed aboard. Pike said something to Bryce about confirming all of those who want to get off, but, from what we saw, it looks as if the entirety of Discovery's compliment remained.

While it seems only a few wanted to stay on the Discovery in 2x13, it really seems in 2x14 nearly everyone went to the future. My guess is TPTB needed some redshirts for season 3. It is easier to kill randoms off to show the seriousness of a situation and give the main characters a reason to weep, if there are actually a bunch of no name characters no one will miss.

 

[fireproof78]

He could have, if he had the time to get into the radiation suit and do what Spock did with the right equipment. Anyone going in there had to do it by hand and therefore die, that wasn't a suggestion he was going to make.

Scotty was already in a radiation suit and had succumb to the radiation.

Sometimes there is just dramatic convience.

 

[Kemaiku]

Scotty was already in a radiation suit and had succumb to the radiation.

Sometimes there is just dramatic convience.

Then we leave it to Spock's superior Vulcan intellect divising a plan the same way he did in many TOS episodes, only went directly to it.

 

[DaveyNY]

Culber didn't know what to make of himself, he needed space, and Stamets wouldn't give it to him because he wanted to be with Culber every moment. Culber in this whole other place, feeling as if he shouldn't even be there, pushed Stamets away hard, so Culber would leave him alone.

Stamets was in this whole other place, and then he picked a fight with Tyler, hoping to bring out Voq. That didn't happen but Tyler got the anger out of his system that he had. And, with Stamets staying away from him, he finally had the space he needed. He got his space, he got his anger out of his system, then he was ready to reach back out to Stamets.

Stamets was so hurt by Culber pushing him away, that he rejected Culber wanting to make amends and would leave even at the sight of him. So now Culber was ready to kiss and make-up but Stamets wanted nothing to do with it, leaving Culber in this awkward space. But then Stamets felt in this awkward place too, because he didn't like being pushed away and he didn't want to be hurt again. He was worried he'd be hurt again if he went back to Culber again. But he couldn't get that off his mind, so Reno noticed he distracted Stamets was. Stamets also probably wasn't exchanging barbs with her, so she could tell if something was wrong.

That's when she went to Culber to say to work something out. Culber, who as I said already got his inner-demons out of his system, figured the best solution was to just transfer to the Enterprise. To told Stamets and wanted closure. Luckily, Stamets was able to see that Culber was leaving to make him feel better and they reconciled.

Then, Culber realized he couldn't do it. He couldn't go to the Enterprise. So he stayed on Discovery. Then, as Stamets was injured in the Control's attack, Culber healed him and they fell in love again.

I'm not really on this board to talk about the Mushy Stuff, but there's the explanation.

Actually, Culber did go to the Enterprise, but he felt completely out of place there.
So he came back to Discovery.
But the rest of your explanation is spot on.

 

[Longinus]

Scotty was already in a radiation suit and had succumb to the radiation.

Sometimes there is just dramatic convience.

Wasn't the point that due being a Vulcan Spock could actually survive long enough to get the job done? Anyone else would have just died for nothing.

 

[STR]

He could have, if he had the time to get into the radiation suit and do what Spock did with the right equipment. Anyone going in there had to do it by hand and therefore die, that wasn't a suggestion he was going to make.

Then the engineer should've done that, or since there was an intercom, talked someone less important through it. In fact, if screwing around with that widget was all it took to fix warp, why didn't they do that before the battle? The WOK ending makes no sense.

Which does put it ahead of this episode, 80% of which was incomprehensible nonsense. I loved this season, right up to the point where the Big Bad was revealed. It went steadily downhill from there, before falling off a cliff this week.

Still better than S1, but man, what a disappointment.

 

[oberth]

Wasn't the point that due being a Vulcan Spock could actually survive long enough to get the job done? Anyone else would have just died for nothing.

yep, at least i think so - all that scotch must have weakend scotty's radiation suit

 

[fireproof78]

Then we leave it to Spock's superior Vulcan intellect divising a plan the same way he did in many TOS episodes, only went directly to it.

Wasn't the point that due being a Vulcan Spock could actually survive long enough to get the job done? Anyone else would have just died for nothing.

This is left to the audience's interpretation

 

[Kemaiku]

Wasn't the point that due being a Vulcan Spock could actually survive long enough to get the job done? Anyone else would have just died for nothing.

That's also true. Combining the mental ability needed to rethink the changing problems with the interchanger and survive the heat, and look into the thing with his second eyelids...yeah that makes more sense.

 

[DaveyNY]

'Cause this ain't the Kelvin universe, and Pike ain't Kirk?

Yeah, Pike is more of a ...

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[kirk55555]

An awesome end to a great season. The action was good, there were some really epic moments, and my only real complaint is that the excuse as to why Spock/his parents/etc never mentions Burnham is pretty damn weak and obviously done as a band aid to stick this show in the prime continuity. But, I don't care. This season was the best season of Star Trek since DS9 went off the air, and as someone who has really mixed thoughts about Season 1 the show really won me over this season.

A few little things I loved enough to mention specifically were the real Klingon ships showing up, and a Klingon on the chancellor's ship who looked like a real Klingon that could fit in the TNG and later shows! I can tolerate DSC klingons in season 2, but seeing actual Klingon stuff was great. I also enjoyed seeing so much of the Enterprise in these last few episodes. I've just accepted that the starfleet stuff is centuries too advanced for the time period, so I just take the cool Starfleet designs in and head canon that in the "real" Prime universe the Starfleet ships (especially the bridges) don't look anything like on the show, its just artistic license used on the show.

Overall, this season has proved to me that really good Trek shows can still be made, and I hope we get more stuff of similar quality (although hopefully the Picard show looks more like Prime Trek then this did, although that isn't a deal breaker for me especially since I'm a sucker for cool looking Starfleet stuff even if it doesn't fit the era).

 

[DaveyNY]

72 pages and it's only Saturday.

Loved it! What a way to end the season.

A few gripes but a 10 from me.

Why didn't they make the whole ship out of whatever the blast door was made of?
I didn't like how Cornwall was used this year so I won't miss her.
I prefer Spock with his beard.

The Klingons were having a whale of a time, someone should do a book of Klingon War Poetry.

The only logical answer about the strength of the Blast door is that it must have some kind of Forcefield included in its function and that part of it only works when the door is sealed closed all the way.

And actually, the rest of the ship does have this in the way that there are forcefields all over the place.
(Malcolm is actually the one who perfected the first one back in ENT "Vox Sola")

The most important type being the Containment Field around the Matter/Antimatter Warp Core.
So having the one not actually seen, but apparently still there, essentially deflect pretty much all of the blast back out the hole toward the bow of the ship is to me, a given.

 

[oberth]

The only logical answer about the strength of the Blast door is that it must have some kind of Forcefield included in its function and that part of it only works when the door is sealed closed all the way.

since when does a forcefield need a mechanical switch in a door frame?

 

[Longinus]

The blast door thing just doesn't work irrespective of the door. We see the windows on the room where the torpedo is lodged, so it is on the outer rim of the saucer, yet later we see that a huge chunk of the saucer is gone. The area where the Pike is standing behind the door was literally in middle of nothing.