I took it that Stanmets was imagining him and hearing what he wanted to hear.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"
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Kurtzman has said that it’s the end of it but we all know the “real” Control is still out there. Manipulating things.
I'm glad. Was good enough for Sulu and Uhura, why not her?
I know.It was a joke.
72 pages and it's only Saturday.
Loved it! What a way to end the season.
A few gripes but a 10 from me.
Why didn't they make the whole ship out of whatever the blast door was made of?
I didn't like how Cornwall was used this year so I won't miss her.
I prefer Spock with his beard.
The Klingons were having a whale of a time, someone should do a book of Klingon War Poetry.
Loved it! What a way to end the season.
A few gripes but a 10 from me.
Why didn't they make the whole ship out of whatever the blast door was made of?
I didn't like how Cornwall was used this year so I won't miss her.
I prefer Spock with his beard.
The Klingons were having a whale of a time, someone should do a book of Klingon War Poetry.
"Klingon War poetry" is kinda redundant, isn't it?
You just described the entire back half of season 2 in a nutshell. Or, to quote Jammer on the subject, "The mechanics of all this are arbitrary."
Midway through the battle, it did strike me that Control was handing Our Heroes a victory on a silver platter. Forget flying in to block the Section 31 fire – the Enterprise should have pummelled Discovery with everything it had. Who needs time travel? Just wait for Control to get the shields down and blow the ship before it can board!
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Reading all the complaints here, I got to say, I must be the most happy-go-lucky fan in the world. I thought the episode was fun, exciting, and filled with kickass ladies getting shit done like nobody's business.
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It may not be as over as some think.
Someone from the future still has to send the probe back to attack Pike/Tylers shuttle, if Control is truly destroyed someone else has to do it.
If the scriptwriters are still playing it straight then I suspect Control may have left a part of itself hidden on the Discovery.
Control would be defeated in the present but not in the future.
They could just ignore it if they want to but that will just be even more of a confirmation of them having to force the show back into alignment.
At the risk of repeating myself from several pages back, or even on another thread, I can't remember.
Control won't be destroyed, it's still on Discovery
They "killed" Leland's dead carcass, but the nonobots are still in situ, in the Spore Chamber
Ergo, Control is now nearer to the Sphere Data than ever before
They made a big thing of jumping to the future to escape Leland/Control, but instead they made the jump with a dead Leland on board, and the invasive technology still in the Spore Chamber
I see problems relating to Control in Season 3 for our intrepid crew
As for the corridor scene with all the prominent Disco Bridge crew assuring Burnham they were going with her, I understood it to be a cross section of volunteers, there was reference to a skeleton crew going to man Discovery through the wormhole, or maybe I imagined that ?
Control won't be destroyed, it's still on Discovery
They "killed" Leland's dead carcass, but the nonobots are still in situ, in the Spore Chamber
Ergo, Control is now nearer to the Sphere Data than ever before
They made a big thing of jumping to the future to escape Leland/Control, but instead they made the jump with a dead Leland on board, and the invasive technology still in the Spore Chamber
I see problems relating to Control in Season 3 for our intrepid crew
As for the corridor scene with all the prominent Disco Bridge crew assuring Burnham they were going with her, I understood it to be a cross section of volunteers, there was reference to a skeleton crew going to man Discovery through the wormhole, or maybe I imagined that ?
What does them being ladies have to do with anything?
Novelty factor. Sadly, most media, even if they do feature badass women, don't have a bunch of them. Discovery is positively overflowing at this point.
Most of the Trek series have had “badass” ladies though. Just seemed like a odd thing to highlight.
What I found odd about Cornwell‘s sacrifice and the discussion with Pike preceding it was that it was unclear to me why he wouldn‘t be the one staying behind to close the door since from his Time Crystal vision he knew he wouldn‘t be dying there and then. The dialog even seems to reference his future vision, which makes it even more odd. Does he trust the vision or not?
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Finally watched it but I did make a few notes as I went.
I really dont think it was a good idea for Pike to broadcast the plan to the whole fleet right before the battle starts, Control would have been listening and now it knows exactly what it needs to do even more than it already did.
Funny how Control showed which ship he was on by contacting them but they didnt go straight for it.
Must say the battle space is a bit jammed with all the little drones and doodads flying around, why didnt anyone just use some torpedoes to thin them out, I understand why Control didnt use them though as it needed the Discovery in one piece.
By all rights the Discovery and Enterprise shouldnt have lasted more than a minute under that kind of heavy fire from so many ships.
So they considered inviting Control on board, it would stop the attacks on the Discovery but it would also provide the perfect opportunity for Control to leave a piece of itself behind.
I do love the scene with the turbolift cars flying all over the place and crashing inside the neck.
I didnt like the long slow drawn out conversation between Spock and Burnham when they are under attack, couldnt they have talked while she was putting on the suit, its not like it was an emergency or anything.
Burnham couldnt set a destination point because she hadnt created the anomalies yet.
Quality entrance by the Klingons, give me my D7's.
Yes its a loop you idiot, what did you think it was.
Love the D7's and their green pew pew, shame we didnt see any torpedoes, its not surprising due to the close quarters fighting though.
Nice Phoenix like effect when Burnham lifts off from the debris.
Telling remark by Leland just before Georgiou starts giggling like a maniac, "This does not end here".
Something tells me that he is correct, there is still the matter of the probe from the future to be resolved.
Ahh interesting, they arent ordered into keeping quiet about Burnham and the Discoverys true fate, they do that on their own as shown by the lies they told when being debriefed.
I am very suspicious about the individual who is presiding over the debriefing, they show parts of his face but not all of it, its the same man every time for all of the officers, normally there would be a number of Admirals there, I expect to see him again in the S31 show or maybe the Pike/Enterprise show.
Not surprised about the reorganisation of S31, I never expected S31 to go rogue as organisations like it will always be a necessary price to pay for freedom.
If that last part of the episode is not a backdoor pilot I dont know what is, they weren't subtle about it at all.
All in all a solid episode with more eye winking at the camera at times than I was expecting, it doesn't bother me though.
Pretty much all of the main issues I had from the first season have been resolved such as the Klingon appearance and D7's, however I do expect that its not as over as some may think, someone has to send that probe back from the future or its a paradox, the loop cant truly be broken until we see how or who sends that probe back in time.
I will give it a 10/10 because it showed just how hard everyone worked this season and how much the show improved over the first season.
I really dont think it was a good idea for Pike to broadcast the plan to the whole fleet right before the battle starts, Control would have been listening and now it knows exactly what it needs to do even more than it already did.
Funny how Control showed which ship he was on by contacting them but they didnt go straight for it.
Must say the battle space is a bit jammed with all the little drones and doodads flying around, why didnt anyone just use some torpedoes to thin them out, I understand why Control didnt use them though as it needed the Discovery in one piece.
By all rights the Discovery and Enterprise shouldnt have lasted more than a minute under that kind of heavy fire from so many ships.
So they considered inviting Control on board, it would stop the attacks on the Discovery but it would also provide the perfect opportunity for Control to leave a piece of itself behind.
I do love the scene with the turbolift cars flying all over the place and crashing inside the neck.
I didnt like the long slow drawn out conversation between Spock and Burnham when they are under attack, couldnt they have talked while she was putting on the suit, its not like it was an emergency or anything.
Burnham couldnt set a destination point because she hadnt created the anomalies yet.
Quality entrance by the Klingons, give me my D7's.
Yes its a loop you idiot, what did you think it was.
Love the D7's and their green pew pew, shame we didnt see any torpedoes, its not surprising due to the close quarters fighting though.
Nice Phoenix like effect when Burnham lifts off from the debris.
Telling remark by Leland just before Georgiou starts giggling like a maniac, "This does not end here".
Something tells me that he is correct, there is still the matter of the probe from the future to be resolved.
Ahh interesting, they arent ordered into keeping quiet about Burnham and the Discoverys true fate, they do that on their own as shown by the lies they told when being debriefed.
I am very suspicious about the individual who is presiding over the debriefing, they show parts of his face but not all of it, its the same man every time for all of the officers, normally there would be a number of Admirals there, I expect to see him again in the S31 show or maybe the Pike/Enterprise show.
Not surprised about the reorganisation of S31, I never expected S31 to go rogue as organisations like it will always be a necessary price to pay for freedom.
If that last part of the episode is not a backdoor pilot I dont know what is, they weren't subtle about it at all.
All in all a solid episode with more eye winking at the camera at times than I was expecting, it doesn't bother me though.
Pretty much all of the main issues I had from the first season have been resolved such as the Klingon appearance and D7's, however I do expect that its not as over as some may think, someone has to send that probe back from the future or its a paradox, the loop cant truly be broken until we see how or who sends that probe back in time.
I will give it a 10/10 because it showed just how hard everyone worked this season and how much the show improved over the first season.
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After seeing the episode I think its more along the lines of him knowing he cant be the one to do it and accepting why.
Una is actually her middle name. She doesn't have a first or last name.
I still don't understand why, when writing the term, 'Blast Doors' some people still don't get the concept of the term 'Blast Door', and insist that this Blast Door shouldn't be capable of stopping.... a blast, despite the fact that is the first word in this particular door's description.
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