Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

[oberth]

I did like the finale a lot. I truly did. It left me with a few questions, but, I'm currently going back through the season just to confirm what lingering questions I have had already been addressed.

The biggest one I have is about Discovery, herself. While I understand why they were unable to destroy it using the self-destruct and the Enterprise torpedoes due the sphere data was protecting itself, but this week, it's getting the tar ripped out of it from battle. Was the sphere data not protecting itself any longer? I hope I didn't miss something, because if I did, I don't feel like it was addressed properly.

There are times, and it could be me, that I feel like the show explains things at such breakneck speed that it's very easy to miss something. And it's always a very important plot point.

multiple threats to be dealt with at the same time - before that it was only the auto destruct or two torpedeos

 

[Kemaiku]

They needed to be clearer on quite a few things here and there over the season. We get a vague notion that Discovery is about as self aware as Control, both emergent but not "there" yet. The merging of the two would have created an actual lifeform, but dominated by Control's mind.

Control became more than it was by assimilating a lifeform (Leland) and that part is now dead. Whether the tactical AI base is gone too...well maybe. Discovery is free to become Zora now after long enough.

 

[Longinus]

Actually, no. I think I don't agree...and still don't care.

It is fine to acknowledge a plothole and not care, and this particular plot hole isn't a big deal for me. It is blatantly ridiculous, but doesn't really break the logic of the whole story. I just pretend that Pike actually turbolifted away before the explosion. There are way more egregious holes in this story and those I couldn't overlook.

 

[Gonzo]

According to Kurtzman Control is really dead. So what they said in the episode about Control being destroyed was a fact.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...y-season-2-finale-time-jump-explained-1203166



It is ridiculous how easy it was to destroy Control in the end. It shouldn't have just been in Leland. The program should have been in all Section 31 ships and should have been so smart to put itself into countless other places. As smart as it obviously was already, it should have already infiltrated the whole Federation network and numerous alien networks already. Even current non intelligent computer viruses are seemingly better with distributing themsevles across the internet.

Could Control have been smart enough to just play dead, by all rights destroying Leland shouldn't have mattered if it was a truly distributed AI.

It's suspicious as hell.

I would understand if Kurtzman told a few little fibs here or there to keep aspects of season three a secret.

Perhaps we will find out more in the short treks.

 

[Jadeb]

There are times, and it could be me, that I feel like the show explains things at such breakneck speed that it's very easy to miss something. And it's always a very important plot point.

I tend to think they count on the breakneck speed to cover up the fact that they don't explain it, or explain it in a way that won't bear scrutiny.

 

[Gonzo]

Neither the captain nor an admiral (who is a psychiatrist, mind) should be dealing with the torpedo situation in the first place, in my book.

Should have been Connelly but he headbutted an asteroid in a previous episode.

 

[Longinus]

Yeah, see, case in point I suppose. Sometimes I just miss things and it frustrates me.

You really didn't miss anything. It was not explained, nor did it make any sense. There was no real reason why they couldn't destroy Discovery in the last episode, and there was even less reason in this, after its sporedrive was disabled, it had taken a hell of a beating already and they had a cooperative Klingon fleet right there.

 

[Longinus]

I tend to think they count on the breakneck speed to cover up the fact that they don't explain it, or explain it in a way that won't bear scrutiny.

Yep. And according to reactions here it seems to work with most people...

 

[Amasov]

I tend to think they count on the breakneck speed to cover up the fact that they don't explain it, or explain it in a way that won't bear scrutiny.

See, thank you.

Overall, I thought this season was a vast improvement over the first. But, I was getting anxious as it was progressing because it was introducing all of these important plot elements. I couldn't for the life of me see how all of this was going to be concluded by the time we reach the end. The season started off very straightforward, I thought. But then, to me, it seemed to come off as a "biting off more than we can chew," situation where so many more layers kept getting piled on, I was starting to get lost.

Even with the introduction of Control about midway through the season, I thought, "Wait, what is this now?"

I could just operate a little slower. Point is, many times throughout the season I was struggling to keep up with certain things.

 

[oberth]

I tend to think they count on the breakneck speed to cover up the fact that they don't explain it, or explain it in a way that won't bear scrutiny.

my thoughts exactly - happens everywhere (not just trek)

 

[Gonzo]

Not to belabor the point, but I guess the Pike/Cornwell scene rubs me the wrong way, because to me it makes Pike look kinda selfish and cowardly to let the good admiral die when – and again, I might have misunderstood something – he had to know he would not have died.

That would be tempting fate though, if you saw a vision that you would live to be disabled after an accident during a training exercise.

The question you would have to ask yourself is "do you feel lucky, punk".

 

[Jadeb]

my thoughts exactly - happens everywhere (not just trek)

Yeah, it's modern spectacle entertainment. Just watch those robots punch each other and don't think about it too much.

 

[Borgminister]

On first viewing, a satisfying part 2 and finale to a largely successful season. The space battles were a bit confusing and the bittersweet farewells dragged on a bit to long for my tastes, but the execution overall was A+ and the special effects top-shelf. A second viewing is in order and upcoming, post-Easter and Spurs-Nuggets series, but offhand I'd give this episode a solid 9.4 again and season as a whole a B+ and find myself eagerly awaiting season 3. That's one thing this show consistently got an A on: whetting the appetite for the next installment.

 

[Jadeb]

I did think this season was, overall, a big improvement on season one.

 

[Amasov]

You really didn't miss anything. It was not explained, nor did it make any sense. There was no real reason why they couldn't destroy Discovery in the last episode, and there was even less reason in this, after its sporedrive was disabled, it had taken a hell of a beating already and they had a cooperative Klingon fleet right there.

And that's where it become problematic, I thought. They moved to send Discovery into the future BECAUSE it couldn't be destroyed. However, it seemed just as impossible to penetrate that ship in the 23rd century. Would Leland have been able to board Discovery and retrieve the sphere data if they just abandoned it flat out?

Given that he couldn't even bust through glass (or something like it) in the end, I'd say he couldn't.

 

[fireproof78]

Yep. And according to reactions here it seems to work with most people...

Or I'm willing to think about it anyway.
Because that's what I do. And I work through it. It's fun for me...

Love the assumption that I must turn my brain off to enjoy it...

 

[Alan Roi]

See, thank you.

Overall, I thought this season was a vast improvement over the first. But, I was getting anxious as it was progressing because it was introducing all of these important plot elements. I couldn't for the life of me see how all of this was going to be concluded by the time we reach the end. The season started off very straightforward, I thought. But then, to me, it seemed to come off as a "biting off more than we can chew," situation where so many more layers kept getting piled on, I was starting to get lost.

Even with the introduction of Control about midway through the season, I thought, "Wait, what is this now?"

I could just operate a little slower. Point is, many times throughout the season I was struggling to keep up with certain things.

I don't disagree that this series requires the need to absorb it at a higher gear than any past Star Trek. I myself have had to watch some episodes twice to figure out everything that was going on.

 

[Photoman15]

How about tie a rope to the handle, stand on the other side of door and pull rope since the handle pull is down to close door/bulkhead.

Don't know if any one else responded to this (I'm on Page 33).
Because the rope would stop the door from sealing, making it useless.

 

[oberth]

And that's where it become problematic, I thought. They moved to send Discovery into the future BECAUSE it couldn't be destroyed. However, it seemed just as impossible to penetrate that ship in the 23rd century. Would Leland have been able to board Discovery and retrieve the sphere data if they just abandoned it flat out?

Given that he couldn't even bust through glass (or something like it) in the end, I'd say he couldn't.

how would [we need a name for the sphere data] find out about 'his' intentions? on the other hand an auto destruct sequence or a pair of photons are kinda obvious, though

 

[Alan Roi]

And that's where it become problematic, I thought. They moved to send Discovery into the future BECAUSE it couldn't be destroyed. However, it seemed just as impossible to penetrate that ship in the 23rd century. Would Leland have been able to board Discovery and retrieve the sphere data if they just abandoned it flat out?

Given that he couldn't even bust through glass (or something like it) in the end, I'd say he couldn't.

The data of the sphere was all about being spread far and wide. Control wasn't there to destroy it. He was there to allow it to do what it wanted all along.