Jesus. I just noted they spent a lot of time on personal chit chat as those poor bastards in the pods and shuttles were getting slaughtered.
Although, come to think of it, it all came down to Leeland being destroyed in the spore chamber.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"
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Jesus. I just noted they spent a lot of time on personal chit chat as those poor bastards in the pods and shuttles were getting slaughtered.
Although, come to think of it, it all came down to Leeland being destroyed in the spore chamber.
It's not like Burnham could do anything until Tilly fixed the shields. She had time for a smoke break.
L'rell probably crewed the ships with family members and loyalists.
Exactly, sort of.
My take was that it never attempted to time travel before, and just evolved naturally once it had access to the sphere data, and attempted to get ahead of itself once the opportunity presented, which turned out to be a mistake for several possible reasons including no being able to shove its entire consciousness into 500 year less advanced technology.
Yup. The decision to defeat control before executing the plan to... defeat control was bizarre.
As soon as Leland was neutralised, all they had to do was abandon ship and use the enterprise's firepower to destroy Discovery. Nobody needed to get lost in time.
All that said, I didn't understand quite *why* they had to jump forward if Leland was destroyed.
Because they could not be sure Control didn't have some backup of itself somewhere else ready to make another attempt to grab the data. And they decided what their choice to make. Was it the best choice? Maybe not. Not everyone makes the best possible choice. As the joke goes. There's the right way, the wrong way, and there's the French way.
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Again, the Discovery would defend itself, warp or even may spore jump away. But, ultimately that may have not been the only possible option, but its the one they chose, because it was the one they decided they could be the most sure of.
They could barely keep the shields up, and this very episode established an internal torpedo detonation is catastrophic.
That would assume Control had no copies dormant anywhere. Michael did not know that. I'm not even sure she knew what was happening by the time she had opened up the wormhole. Discovery would have had to have abandoned her and returned back to the battlefield while she went on alone, and I don't think that was a decision Saru would have made.
In any case, they may have always assumed they could recharge the spore drive after 12 hours of wherever they went after finding a safe place to dump the Sphere Data, picked up the two Burnham's and headed home. Something in season 3 prevents that.
Yeah, I had the same thought about why the time jump when Control was defeated. But then I remember posts talking about how Control couldn't possibly just be a single copy. Even a non-sentient A.I knows about backups would likely have several backups in the current timeframe (albeit in different locations that are too far to come to Leland's aid or continue the fight post his demise). Everything starting with the first signals that came to Spock and the actual signals led them to the moment of time jumping to the future. Because it was just too hard to simply defeat Control through conventional means. So even though Leland/Control lost that particular battle, it could come back with quadruple (or more) of the current force, and there would be little chance of stopping it.
Why would that assume that? If Discovery is destroyed, the data is gone.
In fact, and I may have misinterpreted this part in amongst the explosions, it seemed like Georgiou had transferred the data onto her Apple Watch, so couldn't they just destroy that? It can't defend itself.
So now either Discovery is 51,000 ly away or in the 32nd century. So season 3 will either be a Voyager rehash or about a crew and ship 930 years behind the times trying to assimilate into a future so distant even English should be gibberish to them. Both ideas sound uninteresting to me.
Sphere Data clearly doesn't like being destroyed. It apparently doesn't mind being copied but it does not like being destoyed and will do whatever it takes to prevent it. I don't think it was going to permit that without fighting back. The whole reason they chose to take it forward in the first place.
But this time the ship is on the verge of destruction anyway, and I can't imagine with all those ships at their disposal they couldn't have finished her off.
That's my worry. Basically Voyager, but with likable characters.
This is also a crew that was put together by a Captain to whom loyalty and willingness to follow their leader was the most important personal characteristic to their captain, each other and to their ship. Why would they abandon who they are when no one is telling them otherwise? And then you have Pike who might have changed their mind, but he believes in the nobility of sacrifice, so why would he stop them as it would go against his own personal beliefs?
Pike may be a great captain, but he does have his flaws and his devotion to sacrifice is a biggy.
Scenario: battle appears to be won. Pike calls ceasefire, orders Burnham to turn off the wormhole, Discovery to abandon ship, disable shield generators and prepare to scuttle her.
control 2.0 swoops in and gets sphere data while they are settting up to destroy her, then jumps into the Cleave Ship and splits. Not likely but not impossible. Losing Discovery and her crew was an acceptable loss considering the stakes.
Voyager brought Quantum-Slipstream-Technology home.
It should be fully developed after that Time ( maybe even outdated again) and replaced the Warp-Drive for Deep-Space-Ships maybe even general.
So the Federation in the Future should be able to travel through the Galaxy in a few Months.
My thoughts for 3 Season:
The Era of Warp-Drive in the Alpha-Quadrant is over.
Giorgio joining Section31 in the Future
Section31 was a Bluff and she becomes a Temporal-Agent at Starfleet .
The old Discovery will be abandoned like shown and they will get a future Discovery from Starfleet with a Captain from this Time.
Maybe Ash Tyler as Commander of Section31 left some hidden Files for his successor in the Future to help Discovery-Crew being reintegrated.
When I watched it, it seemed to be an obvious feint, distracting Leland and keep him occupied to give Burnham the chance to complete her mission. In all that commotion in space, it actually didn't occur to Control of the plan to jump to the future.
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