Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x13 - "Such Sweet Sorrow"

[Noname Given]

Regeneration energy burns human tissue, sorry.

Nah, You just got a Timelord who didn't want to tell you to "See a medical Doctor afterwards..."

 

[DaveyNY]

However, licking a Time Susan or a Time Betty or any other Time Lady is perfectly okay so long as it's consensual.

I'd be terrified that it would be my last lick, before regressing back into a womb.
(though I suppose it's not one of the worst ways to come and go)

 

[Vger23]

If you didn't like that the show obviously isn't for you and you should stop watching...

I've already cancelled my CBSAA subscription, sent a strongly worded letter to the head of the studio (cc Alec Kurtzman) and launched a bunch of diseased meat via mideval catapult into the CBS headquarters building.

And, I'm taking Midnights Edge out to brunch.

 

[fireproof78]

I've already cancelled my CBSAA subscription, sent a strongly worded letter to the head of the studio (cc Alec Kurtzman) and launched a bunch of diseased meat via mideval catapult into the CBS headquarters building.

And, I'm taking Midnights Edge out to brunch.

What about Alec Peters? You going to finally fund him making Axanar?

 

[Vger23]

What about Alec Peters? You going to finally fund him making Axanar?

But of course. The fortune I'll save by canceling my CBSAA subscription will go directly to that cause!

 

[Deledrius]

Well not quite. That was a rejected pitch for a star trek anthology show that Fuller wanted to make, I agree, but that was not Discovery. Discovery is what he came up with when he was told to go away and come up with something that didn't involve a yearly production design marathon. I think it's a bit of a stretch to say the 23rd century was only ever going to be a starting point.

I've heard both assertions, but I wasn't aware anyone official has spoken on it. Do you have a direct quote? I'm so curious about what happened before the show began (I'm really looking forward to another "50 Years" book to come out eventually on Discovery and the CBS-AA era of Trek).

Agreed about the disappointment. But my point mostly was - it wouldn't have worked to bring the ship home a season earlier. Because then a big chunk of the crew simply would have left (the ones that were on board to get home, not for the journey). Keeping them on board would have felt completely out of character.

That's why I think - if they should have been brought earlier - it really must have been within a greater one-time mission (stop a Borg invasion or something), that still keeps all the characters on board until that last mission is completed. It can't be, come home, and then have 15 filler episodes where they argue moral conondrums or something. People want to do the things they want to do when they come home.

100% agree with that part. That's true for every show btw - the real interesting things are usually the stuff that is unique to the show. When DIS does a timeloop-episode, it's nothing unique, literally any other Trek show could have done that. But if they're having long character arcs and changing ranks - that's a unique perspective currently only DIS has on the franchise.

I still think this is really, really not a good idea. In fact - it reminds me of ENT's Nazi-time-war episode. Where I just wanted it to get over with, because it's so far removed from what the show is actually otherwise.

Great points. I think you're right about Voyager. Also, I can't really disagree about Discovery, as I have my own apprehensions as well. If we'd been having this discussion at the start of the season I'd be much less willing to "see where it takes us" than I am now. It's hard to really know how I feel since we don't know what the shape of the new premise even is, yet. So far it's mostly speculation (educated-guesses or otherwise).

 

[Mudd]

Fuller intended for Discovery to travel to the MU even earlier in the season than they did. However, Lorca being from the MU was a Berg/Harberts idea. They wondered why he had such a militaristic mien compared to the average Starfleet captain, and came to that as being a "good" explanation.

How are their careers going, these days?

 

[DaveyNY]

I've already cancelled my CBSAA subscription, sent a strongly worded letter to the head of the studio (cc Alec Kurtzman) and launched a bunch of diseased meat via mideval catapult into the CBS headquarters building.

And, I'm taking Midnights Edge out to brunch.

... I assume that you're taking M.E. to the CBS Cafeteria for that brunch.

 

[Lord Garth]

But of course. The fortune I'll save by canceling my CBSAA subscription will go directly to that cause!

With your subscription cancellation, STD will be one step closer to being cancelled itself for sure.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Well, let this be a lesson to everyone. Never lick a Time Crystal.

Everyone knows you don't lick time crystals. You smoke em. The old Chroniton Meth they calls it.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Everyone knows you don't lick time crystals. You smoke em. The old Chroniton Meth they calls it.

Yep you break it down into powder like T'Pol does with Trellium D and then snort it.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Yep you break it down into powder like T'Pol does with Trellium D and then snort it.

The old green sugar, they calls it.

 

[Cyrus]

1) Fuller's anthology (and moving to different eras with whole new casts) idea was 100% shot down by CBS. They just weren't going to do it (too expensive costume/set wise as it's essentially a new show (set design wise) each season.

We are kind of getting the anthology thing but as different series (Discovery, Picard, starfleet academy, Section31, etc). And it's better this way.

2) I think the MU in Season one was 100% Fuller's idea. It's just the type of 'unexpected thing he likes to do (IE The whole 'Lorca is actually from the MU, but has command of a PU starship.')

I remember there was an article that said Fuller had them going to MU sooner but Lorca was not from MU.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Sarek and Amanda really should have been holograms, saying their goodbyes over subspace. Them managing to beat the Section 31/Control fleet to Discovery in their little yacht is ridiculous.

 

[Nyotarules]

Sarek and Amanda really should have been holograms, saying their goodbyes over subspace. Them managing to beat the Section 31/Control fleet to Discovery in their little yacht is ridiculous.

Vulcans still won't share their superior toys, even after 90 plus years of the UFP (but I agree with you)

 

[Nyotarules]

I remember there was an article that said Fuller had them going to MU sooner but Lorca was not from MU.

Its a shame Lorca wasn't a normal, Prime human Starfleet captain rather than being turned into a pantomime villain from the MU. He was more a Kirk than a Pike

 

[RedAlert]

Sorry guys, but I think that is not that simple as say "If you dont like it, just dont watch it"... because, all we are here, are being longtime fans... and I think all we have to say something.
I love Star Trek since I was born... but despite there are things I dont like of DSC, my love for ST has not vanished at all.
So, "The game is mine, if you dont like it, you can go"... is almost worst that a bad word about a show what we like to be better.

So... Loved the episode, 9,9 for me.

 

[Kemaiku]

Sarek and Amanda really should have been holograms, saying their goodbyes over subspace. Them managing to beat the Section 31/Control fleet to Discovery in their little yacht is ridiculous.

They just don't want to show off by having the only transwarp capable ship in Starfleet.

 

[Doc Mugatu]

Nah, You just got a Timelord who didn't want to tell you to "See a medical Doctor afterwards..."

That deserves a "BAZZINGA!"

Sarek and Amanda really should have been holograms, saying their goodbyes over subspace. Them managing to beat the Section 31/Control fleet to Discovery in their little yacht is ridiculous.

Save for the fact they proclaimed Control zonked out all subspace radio (which begs the question how then did it wrangle 30+ starships?). However, I totally agree Sarek & Amanda shouldn't have been able to beat them to Discovery. Honestly, I would contend there was no need for their goodbye scene at all. Since they are now using the Vulcan Katra as sort of like The Force they could have done a 10 second scene showing the Sarek and Burnham linked. All music, no speaking and ending with each shedding a lone tear.

Its a shame Lorca wasn't a normal, Prime human Starfleet captain rather than being turned into a pantomime villain from the MU. He was more a Kirk than a Pike

Agreed. Weird that two out of three of my favorite characters on Discovery have been from the MU (the other being, of course, Georgiou). I think part of that is because the MU characters harken a bit back to the TOS prime characters in that there is often a willingness to do what's ugly in order to do what's right most efficiently. That is not the case with Modern Trek (TNG onward) as they tend to try put forth the notion that you can make war and conflict pretty and without moral compromise.

 

[Gonzo]

Its a shame Lorca wasn't a normal, Prime human Starfleet captain rather than being turned into a pantomime villain from the MU. He was more a Kirk than a Pike

It won't surprise me if we see him again down the line.

Pretty much anything is possible when you start messing with time.

This week's upcoming episode should give us a better idea of the possibilities moving forward.

I am not so sure that the Evil Control storyline will be resolved this season either, certain events have not happened yet including the missing Red Anomalies, it would be a lot to fit in the finale alongside the big battle.

We also haven't seen Burnham create them yet either which would also be covered next season, otherwise the only way they can finish off the storyline in the last episode is to close the loop that has been created by successfully sending the Discovery to the future, however that will change some of what we have already seen and some on this thread are very much against that.

Either the storyline will be wrapped up this week or at the very least we will have a good idea of what to expect from next seasons continuation.