There's such a thing as "volcanic winter" for that very reason. Similar to nuclear winter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x12 - "Through the Valley of Shadows"
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There's such a thing as "volcanic winter" for that very reason. Similar to nuclear winter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter
Time crystals are shit, dilithium crystals are awesome science, got it.
Edit: Hm...dilithium crystals...in the warp drive...which in "The Naked Time" was shut down and had to be restarted cold...and caused a jump backward in time...hm...
Did Pike have a comm badge on his parka???
He was expecting a cool reception.
He was expecting a cool reception.
SCOTTY: Dammit man, I cannae change the laws of physics! I've got to have thirty minutes!
SPOCK: Hold my Altair water...
SPOCK: Hold my Altair water...
I love how he totally snubs Spock and takes all the credit for that one in "Relics" (TNG)!
"How else can I keep my reputation as a miracle worker?"
-MMoM
Because it's a science fiction series, not a fantasy series. The fantasy elements of Trek have mostly been grounded in hyper-advanced species (Q, Prophets, Guardian) ... we're expected to believe they're so far above us that their abilities are akin to magic -- the time crystals appear to exist naturally on our plane of existence.
These time crystals have the effect (as stated on screen) of locking a sentient being into a particular timeline based on their possession of it. Free will goes down the drain, even when the sentient being has foreknowledge of the timeline they're seemingly bound to.
Again....
I thought the time crystals looked like Kryptonian data crystals. I kept expecting Marlon Brando or Christopher Reeve to show up when we saw the green glowing crystals.
It's a storytelling tool like any other.
Because it's a science fiction series, not a fantasy series. The fantasy elements of Trek have mostly been grounded in hyper-advanced species (Q, Prophets, Guardian) ... we're expected to believe they're so far above us that their abilities are akin to magic -- the time crystals appear to exist naturally on our plane of existence.
These time crystals have the effect (as stated on screen) of locking a sentient being into a particular timeline based on their possession of it. Free will goes down the drain, even when the sentient being has foreknowledge of the timeline they're seemingly bound to.
Again....
Just pretend the crystals were created by some advanced species, like the bajoran orbs, or the guardian of forever.
I think it may have been, perhaps Ash's Section 31 landing party jacket that he borrowed, or at least his commbadge attached to a standard cold weather Starfleet landing party jacket so Pike wouldn't have to carry a much larger and bulkier piece of technology inside a sacred monastery.
I would call it "science fantasy." Very little of the "science" in Trek has any connection to reality, no matter how couched it is in science-y jargon or venerated it is by fans. They get so much of even basic science wrong—as basic as orbit and gravity in some episodes—and that's fine. But it is a lot closer in genre to Star Wars than it is 2001.
Again, let me say, I understand that ppl love the tropes and conventions of fantasy. And let us put on the table the agreement that much of S tar Trek's science veneer is physically improbable at the least. Artificial gravity that doesn't pancake a ships decks into each other would be first on my list.
As the two strains deve lop ed in the 20th c, each had its own feel, right? Dilithiun crystals, well we know there are quartz crystals here, you pass e lectricity through them and they keep time. So yeah, maybe in 2200 we can manipulate them to warp space. That's science-y. I kind of balked at time crystals even in that Mudd ep last ye ar. Poof there's this crystal and it just works. Kind of like red matter. And yes, sin e we're talking art, words matter. "Red Matter" and " Time Crystals" sound more fantasy.
"Yeah but" real scientists use common words. I grant you that. Bu t I was raised on 60s Trek that use d "di/lithium crystal" and "photon torpedo."
There's just a Star Trek, scientifically plausible patina/vibe (usually! I KNOW ep xxx of series #y had a fantastical element: the exceptions prove the rule, dammit). Late DS9 and DSC are a bit more wobbly with that. Perhaps genre bending is good. For the current folks raised on fantasy, it is far more pop ular than trad sci fi (note well LOTR and SW) and they will be fine with mordor and time crystals in Trek. My wife isn't batting an eye. But she doesn't have the entire 1980 Analog set downstairs in the baseme nt.
Unless I sold it for too little at half price books.
Sorry shitty typing, ,kindle is great except f or that.
tldr: Fantasy tropes have a different feel, DSC is into them a bit more, like it if ya like it
Edit: support #312: Just read in another thread abou t TOS Obsessi on: It wasn't a SPACE VAMPIRE CLOUD, b ut a dikromium creature. Possibly go nna spawn soon. Damn!! metal and biology in one entity. Plus I think it could "warp" "space." I probably wet myself in 1 974 hearing all thatsmart talk via my black and white box tv on channel 50. Where have you gone, Joe DiM ... I mean, Al Kaline?
As the two strains deve lop ed in the 20th c, each had its own feel, right? Dilithiun crystals, well we know there are quartz crystals here, you pass e lectricity through them and they keep time. So yeah, maybe in 2200 we can manipulate them to warp space. That's science-y. I kind of balked at time crystals even in that Mudd ep last ye ar. Poof there's this crystal and it just works. Kind of like red matter. And yes, sin e we're talking art, words matter. "Red Matter" and " Time Crystals" sound more fantasy.
"Yeah but" real scientists use common words. I grant you that. Bu t I was raised on 60s Trek that use d "di/lithium crystal" and "photon torpedo."
There's just a Star Trek, scientifically plausible patina/vibe (usually! I KNOW ep xxx of series #y had a fantastical element: the exceptions prove the rule, dammit). Late DS9 and DSC are a bit more wobbly with that. Perhaps genre bending is good. For the current folks raised on fantasy, it is far more pop ular than trad sci fi (note well LOTR and SW) and they will be fine with mordor and time crystals in Trek. My wife isn't batting an eye. But she doesn't have the entire 1980 Analog set downstairs in the baseme nt.
Unless I sold it for too little at half price books.
Sorry shitty typing, ,kindle is great except f or that.
tldr: Fantasy tropes have a different feel, DSC is into them a bit more, like it if ya like it
Edit: support #312: Just read in another thread abou t TOS Obsessi on: It wasn't a SPACE VAMPIRE CLOUD, b ut a dikromium creature. Possibly go nna spawn soon. Damn!! metal and biology in one entity. Plus I think it could "warp" "space." I probably wet myself in 1 974 hearing all thatsmart talk via my black and white box tv on channel 50. Where have you gone, Joe DiM ... I mean, Al Kaline?
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Oh crap, just happened to me this morning too...
With all due respect, that's cherry-picking. Trek has had loads of phlebotinum plot devices that are firmly rooted in fantasy territory since forever. Like something or don't (nobody needs a reason or excuse for personal taste), but there's no need to retcon history.Because it's a science fiction series, not a fantasy series. The fantasy elements of Trek have mostly been grounded in hyper-advanced species (Q, Prophets, Guardian) ... we're expected to believe they're so far above us that their abilities are akin to magic -- the time crystals appear to exist naturally on our plane of existence.
These time crystals have the effect (as stated on screen) of locking a sentient being into a particular timeline based on their possession of it. Free will goes down the drain, even when the sentient being has foreknowledge of the timeline they're seemingly bound to.
Again....
It's typically the same crowd who will pontificate about Gene's Vision and reminisce (wearing very expensive rose-colored glasses) about how Star Trek was made for "more intellectual audiences," taking great pride in their seeming elite membership in that construct.
That's actually what's embarrassing.
Just got to say again how amazing Anson Mount was in this one. His reaction to the future vision was amazing. And there's a noticable shadow cast over him the rest of the episode. Great stuff.
I just hope this means something and goes somewhere, and isn't just connecting-the-dots fanwank.
I just hope this means something and goes somewhere, and isn't just connecting-the-dots fanwank.
Dilithium makes warp easy = FTL necessary for their civilization possible.
Time Crystals make time travel easy = the total annihilation of their civilization.
Get that?
And that was not only stupid but a one-off freak thing that was never used again. I wonder why...
Precedent is not excuse.
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The one in which the Guardian was singular(1) and uncooperative(2).
(1) there weren’t billions of them scattered all over local space.
(2) it didn’t help them travel to the exact points they wanted to go in the episode or in any other after.
No, all they need is some silly technobabble to fix that just like the rest of Trek.
You keep using that word, stupid. Only your attempt at arguments would fit that description. Plenty of plot monkey tech never gets used again, doesn't mean it can't be in the future.
Precedent is irrelevant. The writers can use past material or or redefine past material, or create things whole cloth. Fiction, what a thing.
Well of course they're different, Dilithium is pink. That makes all the difference.
It was a theoretical relationship between time and antimatter that allowed for a controlled implosion. (Di)lithium crystals are never expressly mentioned. As for cold starting time travel never being used again, absence of proof is not necessarily proof of absence. Besides, in one of Worf’s parallel existences, “The Naked Time, Part II: Tomorrow is Yesterday”, made it to air.
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