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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x12 - "Through the Valley of Shadows"

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I cast a defiant 2 vote. Not 1 (because my reasons have nothing to do with DSC not being the “Trek I’m loyal to” wtf) but because, although it was a decent episode, TIME. CRYSTALS. ARE. SHIT.

Thank you LLAP
 
I cast a defiant 2 vote. Not 1 (because my reasons have nothing to do with DSC not being the “Trek I’m loyal to” wtf) but because, although it was a decent episode, TIME. CRYSTALS. ARE. SHIT.

Thank you LLAP

Perhaps you should just think of them as Chroniton Crystals then?

The funny thing for me is the captions don't suit my state of mind, as I often think as 'This isn't the Trek I'm loyal to" but give it an 8 exactly because of that reason.
 
I like chronitons far more than outright magic crystals. "Chroniton" sounds like something that, while not present in our world, could be a legitimate scientific object in universe with different physics, where time has field-like qualities separate from space. In the real word, particles are really just excitations of various fields.
 
Time crystals were goofy anti-technobable plot devices at first, but now we've seen where they come from they're AWESOME.

Along with the fairy-filled enchanted forest of the spore network, Boreth is one of my favourite locations thus far in Discovery. It's a welcome return to the no-fucks-given-this-is-fantasy worlds of TOS and TAS. I can imagine it being somewhat jarring if you were raised exclusively on Berman-Trek, which drowned its fantasy elements in technobabble.
 
I like chronitons far more than outright magic crystals. "Chroniton" sounds like something that, while not present in our world, could be a legitimate scientific object in universe with different physics, where time has field-like qualities separate from space. In the real word, particles are really just excitations of various fields.

But 'time crystals' is exactly the term that 21c physicists actually use to describe an real worldl newly discovered state of matter that has weird time-space properties!

Damn those legitimate real world physicists living in their own fantasy world and not using respectable terms for their discoveries!!
 
Time crystals were goofy anti-technobable plot devices at first, but now we've seen where they come from they're AWESOME.

Along with the fairy-filled enchanted forest of the spore network, Boreth is one of my favourite locations thus far in Discovery. It's a welcome return to the no-fucks-given-this-is-fantasy worlds of TOS and TAS. I can imagine it being somewhat jarring if you were raised exclusively on Berman-Trek, which drowned its fantasy elements in technobabble.

Real physcists use 'goofy anti-technobabble terms'; for their discoveries, not Berman-Trek technobabble anyways.
 
But 'time crystals' is exactly the term that 21c physicists actually use to describe an real worldl newly discovered state of matter that has weird time-space properties!

Damn those legitimate real world physicists living in their own fantasy world and not using respectable terms for their discoveries!!
That's why the term is a problem. They're using a real term to describe a thing that is nothing like it. Not a huge issue, but it you want a fantastic magic thing that can have any properties the writers might need, then better use made up terms.
 
Damn those legitimate real world physicists living in their own fantasy world and not using respectable terms for their discoveries!!
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That's why the term is a problem. They're using a real term to describe a thing that is nothing like it. Not a huge issue, but it you want a fantastic magic thing that can have any properties the writers might need, then better use made up terms.

My general observation since this show started:

Discovery is the first Star Trek series where this sort of thing is somehow a 'new' problem and 'separates' it from the rest of the franchise. Weird.
 
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Discovery is the first Star Trek series where this sort of thing is somehow a 'new' problem and 'separates' it from the rest of the franchise.
It's a problem in Berman-trek, too. IDGAF about TOS, so I wouldn't know about that.
 
Why should they die? Whoever is in charge of the training will save them and might come up with a better rescue plan. Pike knows an accident will happen, just prevent the accident from happening, it's what Captain Kirk 'I don't accept fate/or no win set ups' would do. Pike is being fatalistic about himself.

The Time Keeper pretty much said, whatever Pike sees in the vision is the price he pays for receiving the time crystal. That future is already set in motion and if it's become a fixed point in time then there is no avoiding it. Also Pike isn't Kirk, he's someone that Kirk reveres and the choice he makes in this episode gives us a good reasoning as to why.
 
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