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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x12 - "Through the Valley of Shadows"

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Well, that was a big improvement! Hopefully those last 2 1/2 episodes were just a rough patch.

Though, I continue to find Disco's attitude towards continuity so bizarre! This portrayal of Boreth doesn't connect to what's going on there in TNG at all -- and you can't just conclude "it changed over 100 years" when we're explicitly dealing with something outside of time!

But, why even use Boreth for this? The only reason to include that is to play to the hardcore fans, it could just as easily have been New Klingon Planet. It's just weird how packed this show is with continuity shout-outs that simultaneously disregard continuity. For gods sake, pick a lane! At least they told a great story with the time crystals, so it was ultimately justifiable and satisfying, if pointlessly distracting.

(Also, I can already start to imagine the ridiculous ret-con. Turns out, those monks in "Rightful Heir" didn't genetically engineer that Kahless after all -- that's just the cover story so no one realizes they pulled him out of the past with time crystals!)

By contrast, if this is the origin of the Borg, that's potentially a brilliant continuity-enhancing move. That would explain the Borg's weird fixation on humans, and persistent inability to seal the deal on assimilating them. And that time travel move in First Contact was always so out-of-nowhere, but not so much if the Borg are themselves humans thrown back in time.

Though I was yelling at Pike's telling L'Rell & Tyler "I don't think I could explain it if I tried." It wasn't THAT complicated, Pike! And it's their kid they'll never meet probably! You could answer one or two follow-up questions!
 
He seemed more heroic in the novel version of the accident; rescuing them one by one.
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Did I misunderstand the scene in the episode? I was expecting him to save cadets, but we only see him attempt a single rescue and it ends in failure. I suppose it's less poignant a decision for him to make if he knows he's going to suffer heroically versus simply suffer from the attempt, but I felt like the scene was not showing enough of his actions there as I would hope.
He now knows whats coming, I'm sure he will plot it out so that ALL the cadets survive at his loss.
 
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Seriously though guys, where is Tilly? I skimmed through a few scenes, and she wasn't even on the bridge in the background this week.
Maybe she was planning her wedding?
(I mean Mary of course, not Tilly)
 
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one of the stronger episodes from a very good season. Pike's choice is heart rending. The audience already knew what he was facing. Now he does too. I'm not sure how many people could make a decision like that.

Tyler's kid was a fascinating character. I don't know if he's the Albino or not but would be interesting to see more of them. The Klingon stuff this time around was far more interesting.

Saru got minimal time but he's adjusting well into the captain's role.

I'm still a fan of Linus and Jett.

He now knows what coming, I'm sure he will plot it out so that ALL the cadets survive at his loss.
Agreed. He got a glimpse of his fate but not everything is set in stone. He knows what will happen but being Pike, he can make the most of it, somehow.
 
I think this episode will be a set up for a big 2 part season finale. So big E appearing at the end makes sense.
I wonder if the episode ends with the Enterprise coming in. I think that the big E is going to be around for the final 2 episodes. Discovery may need some help with the Section 31 ships.

Yeah, They bummed me out with not doing that.
I was hoping it would be so, but we won't see all of her till next week.
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A 10. Excellence. One of the best episodes of 2 seasons.

Discovery 02x12 thoughts & things noticed

- Boreth. Reference.
- More BSG musical tones, always welcome to me
- Did Picard, in the future, create these red signals?
- Linus still rulez
- Nice to see crew eating together, laughing. Double espresso.
- Show is in a really good place. Halfway thru it & I don't want it to end.
- DS9 "orb" tones from the monastery. Also looks like design came right out of LOTR.
- "Future, burned Pike", Cadets. The wheelchair. WOW!
- Reno growin' on me.
- Gant wants to assimilate Burnham.
- Control nanobots.
- Pike redefined.
- "We destroy the ship"!
- I still and will always heart Nahn
- Prepare to abandon ship.
 
If he wasn't there someone else would have saved them. Maybe even a faster and more durable species.

Even if he doesn't walk away, he should be shouting what he saw to everyone to try to prevent it.

Or maybe more people would have died, or a great future starfleet captain doesn't get a life defining event that helps them in some way. I can also see Pike thinking that making sure a command officer of a stronger species or whatever as being a way of him abdicating responsibility. Trying to avoid the event is also the type of meddling with the timeline that Starfleet doesn't like, hence why the Defiant will still be sent on it's mission in 10 years.

Regardless, now that Pike knows of that future and the lives at stake I can imagine someone of his character feeling responsible to ensure it happens not only to protect the timeline but because it is the right thing. It's what Starfleet captains do.
 
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