And that would be lazy fanwank masquerading as clever. Because, I guess, reasons only the cool and hip viewers will understand.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x11 - "Perpetual Infinity"
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No, even for Discovery this is a ridiculous level of fan wank. This isn't a cherry-it's taking the sundae and covering it entirely in whip cream. The Whip Cream of Fan Wank!!!!! (cue dramatic music)
The non-dairy substitute coating with a weird aftertaste you can't put your finger on.
WIth "wank" being in fanwank, this imagery is revolting.
On topic, oddly, I like the idea that humanity created the Borg through our hubris. But Control wants to ster-i-lize, which was not the Borg's mission. Maybe this'll explain Tan-Ru and Nomad. I could live with that fanwank too.
On topic, oddly, I like the idea that humanity created the Borg through our hubris. But Control wants to ster-i-lize, which was not the Borg's mission. Maybe this'll explain Tan-Ru and Nomad. I could live with that fanwank too.
The term comes from Dr. Who fandom, so the imagery is meant to mean exactly that.
Anyway, making Control into the Borg origin story makes no freaking sense, but that didn't stop them from seemingly retconning a lot of stuff from earlier in the season to fit their new arc.
I keep saying that if Leland is the genesis of the Borg, that means they're already starting out vastly more powerful on the drone level than they were in the 24th century. Adaptation? Who needs it when you can already kick the crap out of everyone? He's faster, stronger, and can tank phaser blasts without shielding.
It just doesn't make sense.
It just doesn't make sense.
That's what I thought at first, but the more I think about it the less sure I am. There's this piece of dialogue:
Does Control want to sterilize? Or does it merely want perfect order and, ah, control? I'm wondering if wiping out all life is a byproduct of a desire to, in the words of the Borg Queen, "bring order to chaos."
I'm also reminded of Eddington's rant about the Federation:
I'm not convinced Control creates the Borg, but I do think there's a certain poetry to it. And definitely people have speculated since the Borg first showed up that they might be a human creation (especially from V'gr).
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Um, the "impermanence of death" has been a part of Star Trek since TOS (Kirk actually "died" twice, McCoy once, Scotty once, etc . ALL during TOS' run and all 'back' by the end of the respective episode where the events happened.) STIII:TSFS brought Spock back in (IMO) a more convoluted way than ST: D did Culber (IE Culber's didn't have to be stored in someone else's Brain and then re-integrated into a living body via a ritual only described in Vulcan legend.)
So, when anyone brings up the "impermanence of death" in Star Trek like it's something new; my response would be: "You haven't really watched a lot of Star Trek, have you?"
The Borg is a collective striving for perfection. Sterilizing of all life has no chance of adding to a collective. It just does not compute.
When I was on Twitter following Deb (@SopanDeb), his Trek bona fides were solid; he knows the franchise through and through. Writing for the Times suggests to me that he (or his editor), is reaching for a broader audience than the types who frequent this board, folks who might not necessarily know the combination to Kirk’s wall safe.^^^
Um, the "impermanence of death" has been a part of Star Trek since TOS (Kirk actually "died" twice, McCoy once, Scotty once, etc . ALL during TOS' run and all 'back' by the end of the respective episode where the events happened.) STIII:TSFS brought Spock back in (IMO) a more convoluted way than ST: D did Culber (IE Culber's didn't have to be stored in someone else's Brain and then re-integrated into a living body via a ritual only described in Vulcan legend.)
So, when anyone brings up the "impermanence of death" in Star Trek like it's something new; my response would be: "You haven't really watched a lot of Star Trek, have you?"
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That where it all falls down you see. But seriously, if the AI gets corrupted before or during it's trip to the long ago, it could end up as the basic Borg directive pretty easily, or adapt over time.
For Leland-Control to be the origin of the Borg, it would have to travel back in time. It was stated in a Voyager episode that the Borg had occupied several systems in the 15th century. Does Leland-Control have the capacity of traveling backwards in time? Of course, this could be retcon.
I'm arguing against myself, because I really don't want this to be a Borg origin story, but Control's current plans to gather more data and knowledge to evolve itself really remind me of how the Borg originally worked when they first appeared in TNG, before all this "have to assimilate people to add their knowledge to our own" retcon happened.
That probe came back 500 years to attack the shuttle.
I'm not sure I want this to be the case either, but it seems obvious. So they're obviously being lazy, or f-ing with our minds.
Still, the idea of SF being responsible for removing the greatest threat the galaxy has ever seen, only to turn it into the next greatest threat the galaxy has ever seen is a fine bit of irony (did I use that right?).
Exactly. Based on my understanding of the term, that would be a perfect example of dramatic irony. So yeah, I'd eventually be able to make peace with tying Control to the Borg if it's executed well. Let's see what the end of the season brings to the table.
The novels have it down as like 4200 years ago, Voyager them having a whole region of space 900 years ago. They have to banish Leland wayyy back to make it line up.
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