Yes, and she has studied both the Defiant, as well as Section 31's records. She has a lot more familiarity with the multiverse than most.
If so then that would be a quick way to ruin my enjoyment thus far.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x11 - "Perpetual Infinity"
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I don't know. It speaks to self-awareness that the MU isn't a "real place" per se. Which has been my theory for decades.
And probably some 4th-wall breaking Trolling. IE, fun.
And that's why we all love her most Imperial Majesty, Mother of the Fatherland, Overlord of Vulcan, Dominus of Kronos, Regina Andor, Emperor Philippa Georgiou Augustus Iaponius Centarius. For her humility
She also looks very good in black. Oh hell in anything, or out of anything err that last part was wishful thinking.
BTW the writers may be doing this on purpose making everyone think Borg while they really are doing is something else and it will be a twist not seen, or just totally stupid, one or the other.
Control's take-over of Leland could be an example of Hodgkin's Law of Parallel Planetary Development. It may have nothing to do with the Borg.
On Wednesday night when I set my PVR to record this episode, Space had it allotted for an 8:00-9:05 timeslot, but come Thursday, it had been dropped to just the one hour. As a result, the recording cut off during the commercial break prior to the end credits. I wonder why they did this. I recorded it again at the 1am encore and added 5 extra minutes, and this time I got most of the credits, but it still got cut off before the very end. They should have gone to 9:12 or 9:15 as others have this season.
A discussion I had with my god-brother back in 1997: He brought up V'Ger and he said, "We created the Borg." He couldn't have been the only one to have thought that. So the idea that Humanity might've been responsible for the Borg goes back decades. I was indifferent to the idea both now and back then.
The question is, though, if Control and Leland end up not being the creation of the Borg (I still think they will be), and become some other machine/human hybrid, all the fans are going to bitch. "Why didn't they just use the Borg?!?" they'll say. Personally, I love the idea that a secret branch of Starfleet created a scourge that has plagued the Delta and Alpha Quadrants.I'll be glad for this season to end, just to stop all the speculation concerning the Borg.
I don't think they're actually doing the origin of the Borg in any shape or form. I just thought the idea sounded so bad that I couldn't resist!If so then that would be a quick way to ruin my enjoyment thus far.
Was Elysium spared the Control apocalypse? Dr. Burnham mentions it's her home in the +950 years distant future, I guess explaining why she transported the humans there from 2050?
The reviews for Trek episodes are usually restricted to science fiction related sites. But I noticed New York Times has a review for this episode:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/arts/television/star-trek-discovery-perpetual-infinity-recap.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/arts/television/star-trek-discovery-perpetual-infinity-recap.html
Yeah, that theory has definitely been floating around "out there" in fandom for a good long while.
Although not quite the same thought, even the Great Bird himself mused upon a potential connection between V'Ger and the Borg, according to Michael and Denise Okuda's Star Trek Chronology (rev. 1996, pg. 23): "Following production of 'Q Who?' (TNG), Gene Roddenberry half jokingly speculated that the planet encountered by Voyager [VI] might have been the Borg homeworld."
I agree, feels a bit too "small universe" for me. It doesn't strike me as very Borg-ish to bestow independence on Voyager VI, either.
This on the other hand is an interesting thought. We do know Section 31 was around back then, working behind the scenes, per "Affliction"/"Divergence" (ENT).
-MMoM
Sopan Deb’s review would fit nicely in this thread. I nearly LOLd out loud when he ruminated about the impermanence of death on Discovery:
I think in a vacuum, I wouldn't have a problem with humanity creating the Borg. @David Mack did a great trilogy where that is part of the premise for Pocket Books a while back. Piling it on top of what has already been nothing but fanwank just makes the universe feel even smaller than it already is.
Though it is already written, filmed and in the can. So all we can do is sit back and enjoy bitching about the ride.
Actually thats likely spot on.
If any cyborgs develop a hive mind even voluntarily the end result will likely always be Borg. One a collective has been established all perception of the individual will slowly be lost with everything becoming about "the group". A cybernetic civilization could develop 100,000 light years apart but after a few hundred years and a few million added to the collective they will look and act exactly the same with the same goals, same ruthlessness and same devotion to efficiency. If a hive meets they would likely merge and become one as that would be the most logical and efficient thing to do.
Even the hint of it makes me queasy.
That would echo how Doctor Who has come to treat their equivalent, the Cybermen!
-MMoM
Humanity being responsible for the creation of the Borg is such a bad idea even Brannon Braga never used it.
That would echo how Doctor Who has come to treat their equivalent, the Cybermen!
-MMoM
It does somewhat make the most sense.
A collective of say 12 might be different as individuality will not be as diluted. A collective or millions or billions is going to look and act like any other collective even if it developed separately in another galaxy.
I doubt that will be the case.
The only connection will likely be control using borg technology for its own ends like lore did in TNG.
It would be the cherry on Discovery's fanwank sundae.
Good fanwank is tolerable. That, on the other cybernetic limb...
In small doses. I hate when its the core of what is going on.
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