Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x10 - "The Red Angel"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Mar 21, 2019.

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  1. 10 - Leaps and bounds ahead of anything Trek has done before.

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  10. 1 - Oh boy, what a mess.

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  1. KennyB

    KennyB Rear Admiral Premium Member

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    Wait......I was still confused when the mask came off........how did they telegraph it again, for us slow folks?
     
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  2. Longinus

    Longinus Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Burnham's parent's, who are no longer around, were working on a time-travel suit that requires massive amount of energy, near a supernova, which produces massive amounts of energy.
     
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  3. T'Bonz

    T'Bonz Romulan Curmudgeon Administrator

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    Hell, I didn't guess it was Mom. And it didn't bother me that it was. I want to see where this will go from here. It's kind of hard to judge without seeing what happens in the next couple of eps.
     
  4. gblews

    gblews Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I think Spock thought he might be held responsible for Burnham's death (if she died) because though the others planned to rescue Burnham before she died Spock's plan was to prevent that rescue and allow Burnham to die.
    They had essentially already done that. Present Burnham knew that all Discovery wanted was to talk to the RA yet that didn't stop future Burnham from doing what she was doing. Thus they rightly concluded that other methods of stopping the RA had to be employed.

    I also think you're missing the fact that all future Burnham would know of the plan was that no rescue for Burnham was forthcoming and that Burnham's survival was dependent upon the RA entering the trap and saving Burnham. That is why Spock's plan was so much more important and appropriate for the mission than the rescue plan.

    Spock's plan left almost nothing to chance and gave the RA only one choice; rescue her past self or cease to exist.

    Further, the fact that Spock told Burnham that he might kill her, was even more incentive for future Burnham to willingly enter the trap in order to save herself. Actually makes perfect sense if you think it through.
     
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  5. lawman

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    So you acknowledge this, and to you this is somehow better than calling it fanfic? That's exactly what (bad) fanfic does... it takes familiar tropes, and tries to work them one more time.

    It was? How? It had communicated with Spock to rescue her as a child, and happened to appear when she was trapped on the asteroid, and otherwise nothing it did had anything to do with her. Spock's assertion that it did seemed like a huge and unwarranted intuitive leap.
     
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  6. gblews

    gblews Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    It was stated in the previous episode that “scans” had shown that the RA “was” Burnham. In tonight’s episode Culber tlls Burnham that her and her mother had similarities on a mitochondrial level. There was no question that there was a very close connection between Burnham and the RA.
     
  7. Maurice

    Maurice ATARI CX5200 Premium Member

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    I realize I'm late replaying to this but... what? How can you say "Too Long; Didn't Read" about your own writing?
     
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  8. Longinus

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    That's how it is commonly used. It is a humorous way to title a brief summary of the main points.
     
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  9. fireproof78

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    Yes, I am. Otherwise, a lot of regular fiction is fan fiction.
     
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  10. Maurice

    Maurice ATARI CX5200 Premium Member

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    Never seen it used that way. I mean like ever. In my experience it's commonly deployed as a "you went on excessively".
     
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  11. lawman

    lawman Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Well, yeah. It is. (Conversely, to be fair and avoid treating fanfic strictly as a pejorative, some fan fiction is better than a lot of regular published fiction...)
     
  12. fireproof78

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    Some times. But, I'm biased since my wife writes fan fiction. However, since I commonly see it used a pejorative I find it rather an odd remark to call something "fan fiction" when it happens in all fiction...it makes little sense to me. :shrug:
     
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  13. Longinus

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    Wiktionary:
    tl;dr

    (chiefly Internet slang) Initialism of too long; didn’t read. Used to indicate that one did not read a (long) text, or to introduce a short summary of an overly long text.
     
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  14. Phoenix219

    Phoenix219 Commodore Commodore

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    I'm still wondering if there was a major change in direction again part way through the filming process, honestly.... we will see.

    This could explain Lorca in Season 1 as well - he seemed downright mellow and heroic at times, and was able to pass for longer then most MU denizens should have.

    I honestly expected more time shenanigans - like Michael *actually dying* only to narratively have a little rewind.
     
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  15. Phoenix219

    Phoenix219 Commodore Commodore

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    What part?
     
  16. Jinn

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    From Memory Alpha:
    Leland claims that Burnham's parents were working on a theory that certain technological leaps were not happenstance, but the result of time travel. This resonates with the Star Trek: Voyager two-parter "Future's End" and "Future's End, Part II", which plot centers around a businessman, who revolutionized late-20th century computer science by stealing technology from the wreck of a 29th century timeship. Another of such intervention occured when Montgomery Scott gave Nichols the formula for transparent aluminum in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.
     
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  18. Phoenix219

    Phoenix219 Commodore Commodore

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    Thanks guys. Never seen a lot of Voyager. I'm a 23rd century kind of guy. Appreciate it.
     
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  19. King Daniel Beyond

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    Was the weird Georgiou/Stamets sexuality conversation confirmation that in the Trek universe, sexuality is the result of environment and not genetics?
     
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  20. The Mighty Monkey of Mim

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    I have no specific expertise on the matter in real life, but I would tend to expect like many aspects of an individual it's probably a combination of both, with genetic factors providing potential predispositions, and environmental factors from gestation onward shaping their expression?

    [EDITED TO ADD: In any case, we know there is a biological difference as well between Mirror and Prime; the sensitivity to sudden changes in light was said to be one in "Vaulting Ambition" (DSC).]

    -MMoM:D
     
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