Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x10 - "The Red Angel"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Mar 21, 2019.

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  1. 10 - Leaps and bounds ahead of anything Trek has done before.

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  10. 1 - Oh boy, what a mess.

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  1. fireproof78

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    It would be nice for the writers to do so, but that is not my expectation of Trek writers. Hasn't been for years. One merely need to look at the "magic blood" debacle with Khan when there are real-world blood therapies that function just fine. Again, the only consistency I see in Star Trek science is that audiences can't agree on what fits and what doesn't.

    As for later on in TOS, I have a wait and see attitude, just like with the spore drive. Story is not over yet.
    Pretty much this.
     
  2. Alan Roi

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    Darn those 21st century scientists and not using indecipherable latinate or obcscure physics jargone when describing a new state of matter. It's like 'The Big Bang' and 'cosmic strings' all over again! The term time crystals is surely LOL objectionable when compared to those terms.:guffaw:
     
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    Thought this was a bit above average. I never wanted Michael to be the red angel and so that disappointed me till the big surprise ending. The ending made up for much of my disappointment. It moved this episode from a 6 to a 7 for me. So not great but not bad. Look forward to the next episode.
     
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    Fragor magnus and filium mundi
     
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    The crystals don't bother me in and of themselves. They're a stupid Treknobabble DXM. Nothing new.

    The problem is, the whole shebang - the crystals, the suit, Section 31's involvement, the "time travel race" with the Klingons - is cheap, hackneyed and derivative. They've regressed back to last season's level of stupid. Worse, they've taken the awesome epic potential of the Red Angel and made it something dull, ordinary, and wholly uninspired.

    More importantly, it was done so carelessly. This potentially creates huge structural problems for the plot - the franchise even.
     
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  6. BillJ

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    Winner. They had something awesome, and shit on it.
     
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  7. Noname Given

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    Why bring up Voyager here?;)
     
  8. Alan Roi

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    Radiation was well known long before people started turning uranium into atomic bombs. The Greeks knew about steam engines, but considered them to be toys. Seems to me they are treated as a magic trick, toy, glowing watch level tech until someone actually figured out how to use them for something more.
     
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  9. BillJ

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    I'm not sure I ever felt as let down by Voyager as I was by the Red Angel reveal.
     
  10. CorporalClegg

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    Actually, I had originally included something about how it feels like an episode Braga might have written for DS9 in my post.
     
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  11. Nerys Myk

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    The RA being mama or it being a S31 project?
     
  12. BillJ

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    Both. It just felt really uninspired to spend ten episodes on it. Maybe the next episode makes up for it.
     
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    Yeah, that was unfortunate. I hate the time travel race bit. Was a bit shocked by it.

    Ugh.
     
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    By making it a science fiction story of the unintended consequences of reckless abandon with regards to technological development in competition with a rival. How horrible. How dare a Star Trek story be a cautionary tale. This is so not what science fiction or Star Trek is for :brickwall::guffaw:
     
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  15. CorporalClegg

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    For me, it's the latter.

    I'm fine with mama Burnham.
     
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  16. Nerys Myk

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    I can understand the latter, but not the former. It wasn't an obvious choice.
     
  17. CorporalClegg

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    This would be great if it were true.

    But the only lasting consequence will be in the writer's room. It sets a terrible precedent.
     
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  18. fireproof78

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    I mean, I see your point but it smacks a bit of the Temporal Cold War so it left me with mixed feelings.
     
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    It wasn't an obvious choice. I can agree with that. Didn't make it a good choice. It was an out of left field choice that had zero to do with the arc up to that exact moment. Which, for me, is bad writing. You have to give the audience clues that add up, which is what would make this kind of story worth revisiting.

    It felt like they picked a name out of a hat.
     
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  20. Nerys Myk

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    I dunno, family seems to be a major theme in the arc.
     
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