At least we have the USS Sombreroprize what a fine ship she is?
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x07 - "Light and Shadows"
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There is no such implication except to those who are desperate to believe what they want to believe rather than what actually is. Sarek talks about his children with Amanda, Sybok was not his child with Amanda.Sadly there's a line in this episode which implies Sarek has no other children.
No full Sarek household in the Discoverse
Of course Picard would also go on to be a reluctant God, the spokesperson to the Borg collective, the arbiter of succession to the Klingon High Council (TOS race!), be recipient of the legacy of an entire world, make first contact with the Romulans after eighty years (TOS race!), defeat a Romulan invasion led by the daughter of his own dead tactical officer trying to manipulate Spock (TOS watchers take a drink!), be recipient of the emotions of Ambassador Sarek (TOS watchers, take a drink!) and pass these to Spock, find Scotty (TOS watchers, you know the drill by now!), have his own archeology professor (of whom he was naturally the prodigy) find the secret of all life, be present for Kirk's death (TOS watchers, down your drink!) and find a missing or estranged family member for at least half his crew.
How unrealistic.
Actually, Sarek spoke of "our children". Sybok would not be Amanda's child. Also, they are all probably not on speaking terms.Sadly there's a line in this episode which implies Sarek has no other children.
No full Sarek household in the Discoverse
I'm picturing that right now.
I've struggled to read the thread but gave up at page 25.
I loved this episode, the only thing I wasn't keen on was the exposition at the start telling me the angel is just a person in a suit.
Took all the mystery out of it, hopefully the pay off isn't as clumisly handled.
I still gave it a 9/10 though.
I loved this episode, the only thing I wasn't keen on was the exposition at the start telling me the angel is just a person in a suit.
Took all the mystery out of it, hopefully the pay off isn't as clumisly handled.
I still gave it a 9/10 though.
I guess... but I cannot imagine a family ignoring the existence of a child from a prior marriage like that. I hope I'm proved wrong and Sybok makes an appearance at some point.
I'm picturing a Sarek/Amanda rap battle in the Katric tomb over Spock.
Which, as I said earlier, puts it exactly in this type of "fictional unrealism":
NOT this one:
The former is kind' unavoidable if you want to have more than a single story about the same character. It's the latter that breaks immersion, and where DIS has some serious problems with.
Vulcans seem superb at finding logical reasons to behave in the most dickish fashion. 18 years without a word to Spock because he joined Starfleet. That's who Sarek is. The man knows grudges.
I've never understood why some Star Trek fans revere Vulcans. They're largely dicks. Spock mostly became less of a dick by maturing and embracing his human side, especially through the movies. But he has his moments. Then when we see other prominent Vulcans, more often than not, dicks.
I mean, it's not like Sarek will ever win the "Father of the Year" contest. Not even by Vulcan standards.
That family is great at pretending the others don't exist. Kirk, Spock's best friend, didn't know about Sybok until Sybok hijacked the Enterprise. He didn't know Sarek was Spock's father until there was no avoiding the truth. I think it's very in character that Sarek would ignore a kid who became a space hippie.
He never mentions mentoring Saavik or Valeris until they appear on screen either; he's a private dude.
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Nah quite clearly it was a game of Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock.
Sorry, but that is simply blown out of proportion and patently not true. Where is that serious problem? Who is related to everyone? Nobody. Who knew everyone before the show started? Nobody. Who has single-handedly saved everyone every single time? Nobody. Who is special in a physical way and stands out beyond humanity (i.e. has been enhanced and is okay with it without suffering long-lasting consequences as far as we can tell)? Paul, my darling. He saved the ship more often than everyone else put together, because he is awesome. Saru evolved and drastically changed the fate of his entire planet. Spock is the one connected to the Red Angel, not Michael. Tyler is the one-of-a-kind hybrid. Tilly is the one who got kidnapped by a fungus so she could help save an entire species. Culber came back from the dead. Lorca was from the MU. Pike has man-pain because he sat out the war. Airiam got affected by the computer virus.
Almost none of that is connected to Michael herself beyond anything plausible. She is there. She does things. She's driving Spock to Talos IV, but he's the one with the connection. Do you want her to lock herself in her room and not interact with anyone?
Where are you people getting this impression from, anyway? It's just so artificial.
Also, come on. Fiction always connects characters to each other and to events so that we actually feel invested. Otherwise, we might really watch the irrelevant non-adventures of Captain John Everyman on the USS Nondescript.
Anyone here watching "The Cage" in preparation for the next episode?
When you put it that way, it makes it sound like a goddamned comic book plot full of superheroes. Which makes it a lot less appealing. Part of what I always loved about Star Trek is by and large the characters are "regular Joes" - basically just above-average professionals doing the best they can.
I'm being over the top to show how everyone has something connected to them because they're the focus characters. This is how story-telling works. You can apply this kind of analysis to basically every piece of media, especially one with an ensemble cast. Try Grey's Anatomy or TWD or Gotham or TNG or TOS or what have you. DSC isn't special in that sense. Everyone gets their day in the limelight.
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