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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x05 - "Saints of Imperfection"

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This is definitely a matter of tastes. I have enjoyed Yeoh's performance. I completely agree that I feel like we missed out of her leading a show as Prime Georgiou and would welcome that in some form.

Another great example of an irredeemable villain who somehow turned sympathetic. Loki started out as pure villain. Are audiences more accepting of him now?

I never saw Loki as a pure villain. Especially given his opening motivation was jealousy over Odin loving Thor more than him, but then Marvel plays the playground level motivations pretty hard. Now mythological Loki, he was was a total dick. Hiddleson's Loki, though, is pure rockstar sexy with the babes, of course they'd want to redeem him, I mean, only Downey's Iron Man has appeared in more movies, and for good reason.
 
I never saw Loki as a pure villain. Especially given his opening motivation was jealousy over Odin loving Thor more than him, but then Marvel plays the playground level motivations pretty hard. Now mythological Loki, he was was a total dick.
So, Loki wanting to enslave and rule Humanity on Earth (as a Vassal of Thanos) (see "Marvel's The Avengers" feature film circa 2012) wasn't a "PURE VILLAIN" act then? ;)
 
So, Loki wanting to enslave and rule Humanity on Earth (as a Vassal of Thanos) (see "Marvel's The Avengers" feature film circa 2012) wasn't a "PURE VILLAIN" act then? ;)

It was pretty clear to me even then that Loki was a patsy in that film. The fact the the MCU is now saying he was controlled by the mindstone merely codified my earlier impression.
 
I never saw Loki as a pure villain. Especially given his opening motivation was jealousy over Odin loving Thor more than him, but then Marvel plays the playground level motivations pretty hard. Now mythological Loki, he was was a total dick. Hiddleson's Loki, though, is pure rockstar sexy with the babes, of course they'd want to redeem him, I mean, only Downey's Iron Man has appeared in more movies, and for good reason.
Fun fact-- Tom Hiddleston recently revealed that Loki's death at the hands of Kurse in The Dark World was originally intended to be a real death and a redemption moment for Loki.

However, according to Hiddleston, "there was a very strange and almost unanimous resistance to it" from the test screenings.

https://heroichollywood.com/thor-the-dark-world-loki/
 
The Klingon from TOS were introduced as theatrically evil. They were brought back as revered heroes in DS9. Ducat went back and forth and then back and forth and maybe again. Watch G'Kar in Babylon 5 go from a mustache twirling villain in The Gathering to the most deeply revered character on the show by the time the series comes to a close. Can Disco pull a G'Kar or Ducat with the Emperor? Maybe, maybe not. But I'm a bowl of Gagh half full kind of guy. Why don't we let them try?

A better analog to Emperor Georgiou would be Londo Mollari. He did some horrific things before and during the Shadow War, including "bombing the Narn to the stone age."

Yet, JMS created a tragic character that despite his transgressions, we the audience still sympathized with. Even G'Kar forgave Mollari for what he did.

Can the Disco team do that with Georgiou? Remains to be seen.
 
A better analog to Emperor Georgiou would be Londo Mollari. He did some horrific things before and during the Shadow War, including "bombing the Narn to the stone age."

Yet, JMS created a tragic character that despite his transgressions, we the audience still sympathized with. Even G'Kar forgave Mollari for what he did.

Can the Disco team do that with Georgiou? Remains to be seen.
Indeed. And worth allowing them the opportunity, in my mind. I certainly do not see how Georgiou's character doesn't fit into the Star Trek world.
 
A better analog to Emperor Georgiou would be Londo Mollari. He did some horrific things before and during the Shadow War, including "bombing the Narn to the stone age."

Yet, JMS created a tragic character that despite his transgressions, we the audience still sympathized with. Even G'Kar forgave Mollari for what he did.

Can the Disco team do that with Georgiou? Remains to be seen.
He was a product of his upbringing and culture just like Georgiou, he broke free in the end though to save his people from the Shadows and Vorlons.

Great series.
 
A better analog to Emperor Georgiou would be Londo Mollari. He did some horrific things before and during the Shadow War, including "bombing the Narn to the stone age."

Yet, JMS created a tragic character that despite his transgressions, we the audience still sympathized with. Even G'Kar forgave Mollari for what he did.

Can the Disco team do that with Georgiou? Remains to be seen.

Mollari was presented to us initially by as a harmless drunkard of a buffoon, a fool who became a villain who became a victim. And sure, G'Kar forgave him, but not the G'Kar who wanted to slaughter Centauri children and make flutes from their bones, as he himself had evolved into a much holier being. And yes Londo saved his world from destruction, but in punishment for his sins ended up in a personal hell for the rest of his life, and his people under him as well suffered terribly until he'd had enough and agreed to be strangled to death as he foresaw, as that was at that point the only way out for him, and his people, and Sheridan's son as JMS finally decided. All in all, a horrible protracted tortuous end, that I would be hard pressed to wish on my worst enemies, as its a bit old testament for me.

What will the writers do to/do with Georgiou? Depends on if they want to take the easy or difficult narrative path.
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And if Star Trek can rehabilitate Kor from the villian he was in Errand of Mercy to the hero he was presented as in DS9, they can surely do some interesting things with Georgiou.
Pretty much this. I think that there is a lot of shade thrown at Georgiou with little to no consideration for Star Trek's past. Even if one ignores Kor's antics because he was more nuanced (possibly as a foil against Kirk), but Kirk, Archer and Picard have all been willing to consider genocide. It's amazing how that gets overlooked.
 
Kor ordered and carried out the execution of hundreds of primitive natives, but since they turned out to be advanced energy beings and were ultimately unharmed for some reason it doesn’t count I guess...
 
Mollari was presented to us initially by as a harmless drunkard of a buffoon, a fool who became a villain who became a victim. And sure, G'Kar forgave him, but not the G'Kar who wanted to slaughter Centauri children and make flutes from their bones, as he himself had evolved into a much holier being. And yes Londo saved his world from destruction, but in punishment for his sins ended up in a personal hell for the rest of his life, and his people under him as well suffered terribly until he'd had enough and agreed to be strangled to death as he foresaw, as that was at that point the only way out for him, and his people, and Sheridan's son as JMS finally decided. All in all, a horrible protracted tortuous end, that I would be hard pressed to wish on my worst enemies, as its a bit old testament for me.

What will the writers do to/do with Georgiou? Depends on if they want to take the easy or difficult narrative path.
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Gkar strangled Londo because the Keeper would have woken up and ordered Sheridans death, it was a part of the alternate timeline Sheridan experienced which convinced him to go to Zha'hadum in the first place, in the proper timeline Londo lived for many years with no Keeper and then passed the title on to Vir who became Emperor just as the Seer had foretold all those years before.
 
What in the eff did I just watch? The magic mushrooms have officially passed tribble blood for most ludicrous on-screen Star Trek invention since Threshold. Damn.

And can we get away from the paint-by-numbers Star Trek ship-in-peril plots? Nobody in their right mind believes Disco will actually be destroyed by the ticking-clock-of-the-week midway through the season. Kudos to them for not using the reset button like Voyager, but I could really do without the false tension re: the ~~ship in peril~~ every week.
 
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