Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x05 - "Saints of Imperfection"

[Guy Gardener]

Transit between planets is atomic powered, therefore transit between planets is regulated by the Robots.

I'd go so far as to say that only robots have star ships, and they are unwilling to haul freight for fleshies.

There is no physical interstellar community of beings, but there may be a virtual interstellar community of beings.

 

[Alan Roi]

They are both husbands.

Maybe they should really consider accept being wives and perhaps look up the etymology/meaning of husbandry for instance to understand why, IMHO. Wife also has an eymology/meanings as well if they are looking to understand the words they are using.

 

[Hythlodeus]

dafuq?

 

[Alan Roi]

What they need to worry about is what the damned robots consider violence. Suppose someone sneaks a geranium though customs or a food shipment happens to have some fungus that screws up a planet's ecosystem. Do the robots call that aggression and blow someone up? Earth nuked due to incidental kudzu infestation on Alpha Jackoff, not cool.

On the other hand, if the robots take an attitude of what happens on a planet stays there and it's their own business like Klatuu said in the movie, what happens on Beta Alamo. A lot of humans have lived there for a few generations and decide they can do a better job than the aboriginals and do a conquer the world thing. Their planet, just like Texas. Do the robots ignore it because it's planetary natives fighting each other?

I don't recall Klaatu and Gort being sent to Earth when they discovered humanity started taking up gardening, but perhaps that story was told in a different movie.

 

[Alan Roi]

Starfleet works towards the greater good of the universe and everyone in the universe, throughout all time and all other universes too, even at the expense of Starfleet, the Federation, Earth, and their own lives.

Section 31 works towards the Good of the Federation. The rest of the Galaxy can burn down, if it means that the Federation loses an inch of territory or one citizen.

Name one instance where Starfleet offered to sacrifice fhe Federation or Earth in the name of the greater good.

 

[Guy Gardener]

When Sisko's plan to invade the Cardassia required using the fleet guarding Earth?

 

[Lord Garth]

It just occurs to me that Pike and Leland are perfect rivals.

1. Pike believes in Starfleet's ideal mission. Leland believes the ends justify the means.
2. Pike has a spotless record right up on display. Leland has skeletons in his closet.
3. Pike is clean-cut. Leland has perma-stubble that puts Miami Vice to shame.

They couldn't be more different and opposite of each other if they tried.

 

[matthunter]

Maybe they should really consider accept being wives and perhaps look up the etymology/meaning of husbandry for instance to understand why, IMHO. Wife also has an eymology/meanings as well if they are looking to understand the words they are using.

Oh, by all means, let's go down THIS side road.

 

[Nyotarules]

so the last thing I want is to watch a show I loved for its optimistic view of humanity decide that nationalism is okay, and that engaging in nation building is an aspect of the Federation's Manifest Destiny.

As Eddington recognised the Federation aim is for everyone to join their club, if that is not Manifest Destiny Star Trek style, then what is it?

I hope not, because I like her.

If Cornwell turns out to be evil, that would qualify as a shark-jumping moment, IMHO.

She turns out to be human, TOS never portrayed Starfleet admirals as paragons of virtue, or any TOS human for that matter.

 

[Longinus]

It's funny what different people take from watching Trek - to me the brighter future for humanity not being built on lies is anything but a minor matter. I don't care how many meters the Enterprise is, or if they retcon holodecks on board the Phoenix - this is my hill to die on

Absofuckinglutely!

 

[Amaris]

As Eddington recognised the Federation aim is for everyone to join their club, if that is not Manifest Destiny Star Trek style, then what is it?

There's a difference between wanting everyone to join your federation of planets out of a genuine desire for peace and unity, and sabotaging governments in order to make that happen to your benefit. Nation building, which has caused so much needless bloodshed and death, is not something that should be endorsed or encouraged. It has been the mindset of conquerors who wore a smile, offered an outstretched hand, and also a small pile of blankets. You know, for your friends to stay warm.

 

[cultcross]

As Eddington recognised the Federation aim is for everyone to join their club, if that is not Manifest Destiny Star Trek style, then what is it?

A desire to form a larger and therefore more effective peaceful union? Unless the Federation are forcing or coercing people to join (and it appears from a number of episodes like Attached that they're actually pretty fussy) I don't see a moral issue with them wanting more people in their club. It's nice to see a society that isn't nativist and inward looking.

 

[Gov Kodos]

A desire to form a larger and therefore more effective peaceful union? Unless the Federation are forcing or coercing people to join (and it appears from a number of episodes like Attached that they're actually pretty fussy) I don't see a moral issue with them wanting more people in their club.

Like the Ba'ku?

 

[cultcross]

Like the Ba'ku?

Did they want the Ba'ku to join? They thought they were pre warp so they were going to move them sneakily. That was shady af, so the plot of the movie was that our heroes were going to stop the Badmiral of the week. Going by the responses to introducing s31 here, the Enterprise should have helped out.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Did they want the Ba'ku to join? They thought they were pre warp so they were going to move them sneakily. That was shady af, so the plot of the movie was that our heroes were going to stop the Badmiral of the week. Going by the responses to introducing s31 here, the Enterprise should have helped out.

Not to derail this beyond the trite humor it was but treating them as objects to move at will is somewhat worse than forcing them to join. At least as members they'd have some right to speech or redress. They just weren't going to be forced marched to New Oklahoma, I suppose that's something.

 

[rahullak]

It occurs to speculate on what Culber will say to Tyvoq when they meet.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

It occurs to speculate on what Culber will say to Tyvoq when they meet.

"Ouch"

 

[rahullak]

1. "You murderer!"
2. "How can I continue knowing you are onboard?"
3."I forgive you"
4. "Thank you for the death experience"
5. etc.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Culber seems to be the forgiving type, so they will probably go with #3.

Stamets, on the other hand, is probably still pissed at Tyler, even after Culber's return.

 

[Nyotarules]

. It's nice to see a society that isn't nativist and inward looking.

Like Vulcan?

^ Culber seems to be the forgiving type, so they will probably go with #3.

Stamets, on the other hand, is probably still pissed at Tyler, even after Culber's return.

Culber is a TOS human its more likely to be number 1, but he'll have to suck it up or ask for a transfer to... Vulcan.