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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x05 - "Saints of Imperfection"

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1. "You murderer!"
2. "How can I continue knowing you are onboard?"
3."I forgive you"
4. "Thank you for the death experience"
5. etc.

#1 and #2 were already taken by Stamets in "The War Without, The War Within" and "Saints of Imperfection" respectively. The first was in Tyler's face. The second was far more subtle when he paused when he saw Tyler walk onto the bridge.

So, I see Culber going a different way because opposites attract. He'll start with #4 and then go into #3. "Thanks for the death experience, I forgive you." And Stamets will be wondering, "How can you forgive him?"
 
4.

This one just wasn't very good. Without Wiseman and Mount, it would easily be a 1 or a 2. Just didn't care about the returns of Tyler, Georgiou or Culber. The pacing was a slog.


Though there was some nice special effects of Discovery sinking into the Mycelium network.
 
I really liked this episode. Looking forward to the Section 31 show more and more and I am willing to buy into the idea that Section 31 will basically be "Shutdown" in the future but I do have a hard time of how it was presented as something a mystery. You should have older Vulcans and other long lived species who are connected to Starfleet that should remember them. Heck Dax should remember him. I think Tobin who was her pilot and in Starfleet or Ebony who had sex with Bones I think would know something about them so when they show up all she has to say. "I remember those people. Starfleet closed that branch years ago. They are up to no good" or something like that.

Anyways the action was fun and it was nice to see a somewhat clever way to bring Culber back though I think we all know he would be inside their. They almost fooled me at the end where I thought he wouldn't be rescued and was kind of hoping for it just the shock the audience and heck maybe find away bring him back in another way once you have explored the expected way and it doesn't work. Or maybe just kill off the character for good. If you want to keep the actor around you also have other options such as a alien or maybe a Red Angel or clone etc. I do wonder where the new engineer was this week. I am hoping to see more of her and wouldn't even mind if she becomes a regular and maybe even the chief engineer once they stopped messing around and let us see main engineering Which I really hope won't be another beer brewery.


Jason
 
Heck Dax should remember him. I think Tobin who was her pilot and in Starfleet or Ebony who had sex with Bones I think would know something about them so when they show up all she has to say. "I remember those people. Starfleet closed that branch years ago. They are up to no good" or something like that.

Well, that would have given Bashir a wealth of information about them that he didn't already have...
 
IF one has to delve that deeply into "Actual Science" to be able to enjoy a Science Fiction type of show, then perhaps one should be spending more time watching NOVA or the Science Channel.
:vulcan:

I love to go to his site for all the Starship stuff he creates, but I don't bother reading his extremely bias opinion pieces.
He's just waaay to over the top most times.
:shrug:

Same with me. And for someone so knowledgable in Star Trek canon, i find it really strange that he often doesn't mention some references in the annotations section of his Discovery reviews.

Did he really miss them or didn't he mention them, because they would show that he is treating the show unfairly in comparison to former Trek shows?
 
It's funny what different people take from watching Trek - to me the brighter future for humanity not being built on lies is anything but a minor matter. I don't care how many meters the Enterprise is, or if they retcon holodecks on board the Phoenix - this is my hill to die on :lol:
May I be the first to say that you die very well indeed. :biggrin:

There is no harm in hoping for the best as long as you plan for the worst, you could say Starfleet hopes and Section 31 plans.

Must admit I am pleased with Admiral Cornwells character this season, she looked defeat by the Klingons squarely in the face and had no choice but to acknowledge the reality of the situation, those who have never known war will never understand, which funnily enough is very similar to what Sloan said to Bashir.

Compare Admiral Cornwell to that idiot Admiral we got in the Pilot, I know it sounds bad but sometimes war/strife can be an excellent teacher although the lessons learned come at great cost.
 
It just occurs to me that Pike and Leland are perfect rivals.

1. Pike believes in Starfleet's ideal mission. Leland believes the ends justify the means.
2. Pike has a spotless record right up on display. Leland has skeletons in his closet.
3. Pike is clean-cut. Leland has perma-stubble that puts Miami Vice to shame.

They couldn't be more different and opposite of each other if they tried.
Except it's been shown that Pike will violate the regulations if he believes his cause is just. He's already ordered Burnham to decrypt stolen medical records for information about his officer Spock.

He probably wouldn't go as far as Leland would, but he's not a boy scout either.

And that's why I like about the depiction of the 23rd century in TOS and Star Trek Discovery in that unlike the way Picard and the majority of Starfleet was depicted; Pike isn't so overly self-righteous that he'll sacrifice other people just to satisfy some esoteric principal. He's practical.
 
May I be the first to say that you die very well indeed. :biggrin:

There is no harm in hoping for the best as long as you plan for the worst, you could say Starfleet hopes and Section 31 plans.

Must admit I am pleased with Admiral Cornwells character this season, she looked defeat by the Klingons squarely in the face and had no choice but to acknowledge the reality of the situation, those who have never known war will never understand, which funnily enough is very similar to what Sloan said to Bashir.

Compare Admiral Cornwell to that idiot Admiral we got in the Pilot, I know it sounds bad but sometimes war/strife can be an excellent teacher although the lessons learned come at great cost.
The ones who know war the best are the ones who were killed by it. Unfortunately, there's no way for them to come back and teach everyone else how foolish, stupid, and shortsighted it is.
 
He claims that his ratings are not in comparison to other Star Trek series. But I don't believe it.
Domestically, it's an uninformative truism - the requirement to be subscribed to CBSAA restrict the potential viewing pool significantly, regardless of the show's quality - but there's no way to tell internationally whether it is doing better or worse. Netflix don't release viewer numbers.
 
Well, that would have given Bashir a wealth of information about them that he didn't already have...


Well I was talking more about how after Bashir tells everyone about his first encounter with Section 31 everyone acts like they never heard of them. Sisko even had to go find it was burried in the original charter. Then when he contacts "Starfleet Command: they sort of give him the run around as if they know but I guess their knowledge isn't common knowledge. But when you got people who were still alive from back then or just any old history buff you would think more people would know about them. Kind of like how I know we use to have in America the Articles of Confederation even though it's not really all that relevant to modern government.

Jason
 
The ones who know war the best are the ones who were killed by it. Unfortunately, there's no way for them to come back and teach everyone else how foolish, stupid, and shortsighted it is.
That statement completely discounts everyone who comes back both physically and/or emotionally changed.
It may be a Truism but it isn't really True.
:cool:
 
Domestically, it's an uninformative truism - the requirement to be subscribed to CBSAA restrict the potential viewing pool significantly, regardless of the show's quality - but there's no way to tell internationally whether it is doing better or worse. Netflix don't release viewer numbers.
Did you reply to the right person?
 
Well I was talking more about how after Bashir tells everyone about his first encounter with Section 31 everyone acts like they never heard of them. Sisko even had to go find it was burried in the original charter. Then when he contacts "Starfleet Command: they sort of give him the run around as if they know but I guess their knowledge isn't common knowledge. But when you got people who were still alive from back then or just any old history buff you would think more people would know about them. Kind of like how I know we use to have in America the Articles of Confederation even though it's not really all that relevant to modern government.
Yeah. It really doesn't make sense. If CIA would be disbanded tomorrow, people in 2120 would still know it had existed.
 
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