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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x04 - "An Obol for Charon"

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Did you recognize Billy Joel or “Singing in the Rain” in the Orville episodes?

Billy Joel? No. I thought it sounded like him, but I never heard that song before. I don't know if I'd recognize any Billy Joel songs other than Piano Man or Uptown Girl.

Of course I know Singing in the Rain. It's a classic showtune.
 
Well, this was easily the best episode of this series thus far, and a great Star Trek episode overall.

There was a lot of going on, but it all worked. And it was a truly trekkian story, done in Disco style. This is what this show should be about.

I was on fence whether to give it an eight or a nine, but Bowie sealed the deal; nine it is.
 
The pop culture references feel weird. The other shows didn’t really have them which made sense since it’s 400 years into our future.
Modern pop culture references sure, it is awkward to reference something that will be forgotten in a decade. But that song is a classic and fifty years old (yes, half a century!) so it has already stood the test of time. And of course the space reference makes it particularly appropriate for Star Trek.
 
Modern pop culture references sure, it is awkward to reference something that will be forgotten in a decade. But that song is a classic and fifty years old (yes, half a century!) so it has already stood the test of time. And of course the space reference makes it particularly appropriate for Star Trek.
Indeed. Claude Debussy's "Arabesque No. 1" is more than 120 years old, and I listen to it several times a week. It is, easily, one of my favorite works, and it too has stood the test of time.
 
Show should have made him chief engineer since Discovery doesn't have one yet and now there are, like, four major science officers.

He's not an engineer though. He's a type of biologist. He might not know a damn thing about warp field theory.

Hell, IIRC from the first season, he didn't even go to Starfleet. He was drafted.
 
Show should have made him chief engineer since Discovery doesn't have one yet and now there are, like, four major science officers.

They do have one, the character just hasn't played a direct role in any episodes so far. There are many science officers because, uh, Disco is a science ship...
 
I gave it an 8 but may have been too stingy.

The Saru/Burnham stuff was off the charts good. What was the TNG episode where Worf asks Riker to kill him? Little different here.

I still do not fully get what happened with Saru/why he didn't die/how this never happened to a Kelpian before? Have to rewatch.

The sphere sending out all the knowledge it had is kind of similar to the TNG classic with Picard & the flute.

I am not a huge fan of the gags generally but the translator stuff was great. The viewscreen explanation was fine. Liked Number One and wanted more. Mount continues to shine.

The stuff in engineering wasn't the strongest, but I love Bowie! And we have to get to a reason for no spore drive being abandoned (remember when high warp was tearing things up & before that when you didn't go to warp inside the system?). Big eyed trippy stuff was fine.
 
True. Very true. :)

Mind you, as an appreciator of the work of Rebecca
But that's why picking pop songs for Trek is fraught. Because what other people consider timeless classics, other people don't even pick up on. It's sort of like how if you watch old stand up, it can seem hilarious - until there is some dated reference to pop culture, which brings you totally out of it. Do you go with something contemporary to try and bring in young people? Or classic rock for the oldsters? Any decision will resonate with some folks and fall flat for some others.

That's why if you have an important moment, you pick a song that suits the genre and is well known to people young and old, so more people will make the connection, and why using Space Oddity created a wonderful moment, and the coversong theme to Enterprise is viewed of as a serious mistake..
 
With regards to the brain-drilling singalong, it's a judgment call. That's supposed to be a very intense, emotional moment so you don't want to risk getting laughs by having them break out into some sort of attempt at "futuristic" 23rd century pop music, which could potentially come off as goofy. On the hand, going with an actual song from our era risks seeming anachronistic. Six of one, half dozen of another.
Yep. Whilst I actually like that they feature stuff like Klingon and Kasseelian operas* and should be careful with referencing stuff that it too contemporary, this scene specifically required that the song was something that the audience could connect with. Some made up lyrics no one had heard before wouldn't have worked at all.

(*Sure, they're made up by humans, but all alien stuff in this show is.)
 
I'm not sure why this keeps on persisting, but it's time to clear it up: Stamets is a commissioned Starfleet officer and always has been; he just wasn't a 'field agent', as it were, prior to his and Straal's research into the spore drive being co-opted.
 
Show should have made him chief engineer since Discovery doesn't have one yet and now there are, like, four major science officers.

It’s a science vessel. Why can’t there be multiple science officers?

I'm not sure why this keeps on persisting, but it's time to clear it up: Stamets is a commissioned Starfleet officer and always has been; he just wasn't a 'field agent', as it were, prior to his and Straal's research into the spore drive being co-opted.

Not that I don’t believe you, but where is this stated?
 
Not that I don’t believe you, but where is this stated?

It was never stated outright, but we know it's true because of the fact that he has a commissioned Starfleet rank (Lieutenant in Season 1 and Lieutenant Commander currently).

People mistakenly took his behavior and his attitude towards Lorca and being assigned to the Discovery to mean that he was a civilian or NCO who got 'conscripted' into joining Starfleet's war effort, but that was never actually the case.
 
When the US Navy completes refueling at sea when the ships split off there is a tradition to play what is known as breakaway music. The aircraft carrier USS Enterprise was known to play the theme to Star Trek for its breakaway music. So since the Discovery crew has adopted DISCO for its shirts and so on maybe they have their own tradition of using music from the Disco era. So it's not necessarily a thing among the general population but on Discovery .... ok I'm pushing it here....

As for Jet Reno knowing Prince I'm not entirely sure that she didn't somehow pull a "Buck Rogers" because it's like she's from a whole different world from everyone else. :)
 
Did you recognize Billy Joel or “Singing in the Rain” in the Orville episodes?

I did, although Ed using Billy Joel as date music also highlighted the character's (not to mention Seth's) passive/aggressive nature when it comes to women. Kind of enlightening in a continuingly disturbing way.
 
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