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What if we had them play "Space Oddity" but switch out the lyrics and change the words slightly, and call it Tarkeelian Pop? Culture! 23rd century music reference!
In a post scarcity society? Sounds cheap.
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win-win situation in my book
To elaborate, it all depends on who owns the copyright. I can't make a TV show about Captain America because Marvel owns the copyright on that character. But comic books based on TV shows are a different case; in this case, Marvel was publishing a STAR TREK comic with the permission of Paramount, who owned STAR TREK at the time. Look close enough and see you'll see that those comics were copyrighted in Paramount's name, not Marvel's and certainly not the author's.
There's a huge difference between creator-owned properties and work-for-hire assignments, like STAR TREK comics. Not the same thing at all.
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Not only would it be futuristic, but it wouldn't be lazy writing!
Damn, I love that song, but can you imagine how this song would be presented today and the PC uproar it would cause...
In the TNG era it would be free
Not as such really. It's more of a meta-comment. I'm just surprised that such a thing has caused the stir that it has.
hah!
Count me among the people who thought the references to both Prince and Bowie were too much. Regardless of the possibility that people will be listening to their music in 250 years, it jarred me out of the story, and that's bad.
That said, if you polled 100 people under the age of 50, I doubt more than a handful could name a single song written between 1900 and 1940. Time erases us more quickly than we'd like to think.
That said, if you polled 100 people under the age of 50, I doubt more than a handful could name a single song written between 1900 and 1940. Time erases us more quickly than we'd like to think.
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Sounds like lazy writing.
as far as the music goes, could be just a decade long phase or something where everyone is into that period of music, kind of like that odd period of time right after O Brother Where Art Thou when suddenly it seemed like everyone was an expert on Bluegrass for about 6 months, or Swing Revival in the 90s, etc
Perhaps on Earth Starfleet only takes students who can sing a song composed between 1900 and 2019.
its a mandatory entrance requirement.
I completely missed the reference to Prince...when did that happen? If I had caught it I'd probably have been more off put by the inclusion of Bowie song ..... i can deal with one random 20th century music reference but two in one episode is a bit much. Too 'cute' for my taste.
When Jet was knocked out, she joked she had a vision of playing drums in Prince's band. Not unequal to someone gettingg knocked out and then saying "For a moment I thought I had dinner with Napoleon and Einstein - of all people - was there too." It was a random name drop of a historic person, hardly a "music reference"
Jet Reno dreamed she was playing the drums for Prince during a delirious spell.
I for one don't have that much with multiple 20th century music references.
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The 20th and 21st centuries do not exist in Star Trek, just as we never reference anything from the 18th and 19th centuries ever.
What does 'futuristic' or 'alien' music even sound like? That's the problem Star Trek [Wars] has had. Any alien quality of said music would - any way you go about it - be ultimately be derivative of human understanding of music. There's current music that sounds a lot like Klingon opera, for example. The Kasseelian opera sounds like it could have been something dreamed up by Nobuo Uematsu. And any quality to it that was 'alien' was provided by Stamets's expo - not the music itself.
And 'futuristic' is something that's so utterly arbitrary it's beyond any conceivable abstract. To compose something to fit any applicable criterion of 'from the future' would be literally impossible.
The thing about music is it is the one art form that, paradoxically, has drastically changed over the last few hundred years and, at the same time, hardly changed at all.
So they stick with what they know: a classic pop song that has surged in popularity over the past couple of years that has direct thematic links to the show. I mean, depending on one's interpretation of the song, either Stamets or Spock (or both) are Major Tom.
And 'futuristic' is something that's so utterly arbitrary it's beyond any conceivable abstract. To compose something to fit any applicable criterion of 'from the future' would be literally impossible.
The thing about music is it is the one art form that, paradoxically, has drastically changed over the last few hundred years and, at the same time, hardly changed at all.
So they stick with what they know: a classic pop song that has surged in popularity over the past couple of years that has direct thematic links to the show. I mean, depending on one's interpretation of the song, either Stamets or Spock (or both) are Major Tom.
While it was clearly meant to the viewers to represent "our" Prince, for all we know another artist went by that name in the 23rd century.
"The artist now known as Prince...not to be confused with the other artist, formerly known as Prince"
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