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It honestly has a 'Disco-style' beat to it (and Disco music was still alive and mildly popular at the time - 1979); so again, another show with modern music style (for the time) influencing the 'future' take.
Saru 'slash fic' incoming?
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x04 - "An Obol for Charon"
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It honestly has a 'Disco-style' beat to it (and Disco music was still alive and mildly popular at the time - 1979); so again, another show with modern music style (for the time) influencing the 'future' take.
TrekYards really have a high opinion of their own opinions, don’t they? I listened to one of their podcasts once. Not as irritating as Doomcock (or a drill-bit to the head), but about as insightful. As in, not at all.
The cause of their estrangement was also extremely complex, so it's hard to accept it being swept under the rug so completely. It's not like Burnham said something catty and later apologized. Georgiou is still dead, thousands more died in the war, and we've hardly seen Burnham and Saru interact except in a superficial mending-the-fences fashion. It's a big leap from that to the teary deathbed scene, even considering their prior service together.
For those folks who found the episode, rushed...
Watch it a second time.
With a second viewing, you'll have foreknowledge of the events to come and your more apt to pick up on story details your mind might have glossed over with one viewing, thus creating the sense of a quickly paced story.
I usually watch the episodes one or two days later, so I have time to contemplate what I've seen.
I also like to read other's thought's about what we've collectively watched together and add that to my own internal perceptions.
Watch it a second time.
With a second viewing, you'll have foreknowledge of the events to come and your more apt to pick up on story details your mind might have glossed over with one viewing, thus creating the sense of a quickly paced story.
I usually watch the episodes one or two days later, so I have time to contemplate what I've seen.
I also like to read other's thought's about what we've collectively watched together and add that to my own internal perceptions.
I looked at it very differently. I saw it as Saru's terminal condition quickly causing them to jettison the things that had complicated their relationship, and truly come to acknowledge how they cared about each other like"faimily," which often is a love containing the same complex dynamics.
I also liked the bit about how it gave the other two the hallucination Tilly was rescued.
There’s a question whether Saru still believes if Burnham hadn’t tried to fire first the war would have been prevented. And he witnessed all her actions to end it. Not to mention their relationship before the mutiny.
There’s a question whether Saru still believes if Burnham hadn’t tried to fire first the war would have been prevented. And he witnessed all her actions to end it. Not to mention their relationship before the mutiny.
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I'd like to have seen that acknowledged more directly in the scene itself or in the buildup to it.
I believe that many forget that Burnham and Saru spent SEVEN YEARS together on the USS Shenzhou under the command of Captain Georgieu.
We may not have seen it, but obviously, they have a lot of back story that makes their relationship much deeper than we realize.
It also accounts for why Saru is so devastated and angry by Michael's betrayal at the Battle of the Binary Stars.
Even a few lines of dialogue would have helped; maybe if Saru said something like, "After all we have been through, you are still the only person I could ask to do this." But it felt like they skipped the thawing of the ice completely, and that didn't feel very honest or true to the characters.
I think it's far more naturalistic for it not to be acknowledged, but simply to be understood.
In the times (few thankfully) I've had to reconcile feelings like this with a loved one, we don't have expository dialogue indicating our history and desire to move on. We simply display the proper behaviors and say the needed things to show that we are moving on.
I thought this scene did that magnificently.
Assumes that it is feasible to reacquire the shuttle once they've lost it. They have a lock on his warp trail, not the shuttle itself. Lose that and finding it again after the time it would take them to reach the last known coordinates may not be possible.
Imagine tracking someone with a bloodhound. At some point, you get held up and the dog loses the scent. Even if you go walk the dog around the area it was taking you, the person you're tracking has moved on.
Now imagine that person can move in any direction and do so at around 27 times the speed of light. Good luck picking up the scent again.
And it's not like "losing a warp trail" is a new trope for Star Trek.
We've seen it used in all of the shows, some even a few times.
We may not have seen it, but obviously, they have a lot of back story that makes their relationship much deeper than we realize.
It also accounts for why Saru is so devastated and angry by Michael's betrayal at the Battle of the Binary Stars.
Michael didn't even know Saru had a sister until after the Klingon War was over. They couldn't have been that close on the Shenzhou.
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This. Nothing gets to the heart of what really matters faster than someone you care about dying.
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Kirk and Spock were close, and Kirk had no idea Spock had a half brother.
Heh...
I fall back on Spock's history of discussing his family (or lack thereof), for any time that particular example is evoked.
Just cause he didn't tell anybody, doesn't mean they can't be close friends.
Remember too that Burnham most likely was not want to engage in discussing her background with folks either.
The basic Trek tech has stayed the same in nearly all eras. Terminology might change a little but each era has the same stuff. Phasers, tricirders, communicators, subspace comms, warp drive, transporters, shuttles. The 'realism' of technological progression on that front went out the window years ago and so design is the only thing that really separates the eras. Nothing inherently wrong with that, but it seems silly to say that it is in any way unusual. Even ENT had the same old stuff, just with slightly variant names.
I definitely did get "map to Skywalker" vibes
For those folks who found the episode, rushed...
Watch it a second time.
With a second viewing, you'll have foreknowledge of the events to come and your more apt to pick up on story details your mind might have glossed over with one viewing, thus creating the sense of a quickly paced story.
I usually watch the episodes one or two days later, so I have time to contemplate what I've seen.
I also like to read other's thought's about what we've collectively watched together and add that to my own internal perceptions.
same here - i usually miss a third of the minor details in the first round
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