Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x02 - "New Eden"

[Jackson_Roykirk]

...There is nothing at all that is "natural" about the development of those people. Their creation was the result of a criminal act done without the consent or participation of the original inhabitants. They are morally entitled to the truth about the origins and the reality of their situation.

Again, what those people had built after the "deed had been done" to their ancestors is a natural growth of a culture. Like it or not, what they have built is a viable culture that is independent of Earth's culture from where they came.

Maybe the Prime Directive might someday ("someday" after DSC's time) be revised to tackle a situation like this, and perhaps this specific event is what might lead to that revision, but for now it seems plausible that General Order One can be justifiably interpreted the way that Pike interpreted it.

And now they have Jacob to do that.

Yes. Pike's compromise had wisdom behind it. It does not destroy their culture from outside, but planted the seeds for change from within, if the culture decides it.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I use the Latinum Card. 100% overinterest.

Given the forum, shouldn't we all be using Discover-y cards?

 

[cooleddie74]

Get. Out.

 

[Ovation]

Get. Out.

Great movie.

 

[cooleddie74]

Unlike STID.

Too soon?

 

[Ovation]

Unlike STID.

Too soon?

Given that Into Darkness is my favourite of all the movies, yes. Yes it is.

 

[fireproof78]

Yes. Pike's compromise had wisdom behind it. It does not destroy their culture from outside, but planted the seeds for change from within, if the culture decides it.

How very TOS.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

How very TOS.

I can imagine Kirk, Spock, and McCoy on the bridge in the epilogue with Spock asking Kirk:

"Captain, May I ask why you thought it necessary to inform Jacob the Earth survived and about the Federation? Since you seemed so adamant that General Order One should apply and we should not interfere, aren't you now concerned that Jacob's new knowledge amounts to interference?"

With Kirk answering:

"Maybe...But let's just say, Spock, that I gave them a seed. It's now up to them how -- or even if -- they choose to grow and cultivate that seed."

 

[Noname Given]

Given the forum, shouldn't we all be using Discover-y cards?

It appears many on this BBS - and some in this very thread - don't/won't take Discover-y

 

[fireproof78]

It appears many on this BBS - and some in this very thread - don't/won't take Discover-y

It has too high of an interest rate lol

 

[Campe]

No fun. If I don't watch it, I can't come here and confidently bitch about it.

Have you checked out YouTube comments lately?

 

[oberth]

Have you checked out YouTube comments lately?

if he needs something really time consuming he should try women

 

[Campe]

if he needs something really time consuming he should try women

Eh, Bill's married. He's got that.

This is the FINAL frontier.

 

[Noname Given]

Eh, Bill's married. He's got that.

^^^
Obviously, you've never been married long (or at all.)

 

[cooleddie74]

It makes one wonder if the descendants of the surviving colonists of Terra Nova would have been affected by the Prime Directive had it existed at the time of Enterprise NX-01's visit. That was in 2151 and the Prime Directive was at least seventeen years away at that point in history.

 

[Noname Given]

It makes one wonder if the descendants of the surviving colonists of Terra Nova would have been affected by the Prime Directive had it existed at the time of Enterprise NX-01's visit. That was in 2151 and the Prime Directive was at least seventeen years away at that point in history.

To be fair, that was a bit different as they were an 'authorized' (by Earth) colony; and they maintained contact with Earth for some time after the Colony was established.

 

[cooleddie74]

I could see someone - perhaps a Vulcan diplomat like Soval - arguing that they'd developed a culture of their own since the last of the original adult colonists had died and the only Novans left at that point were those with no memory of Earth or human culture outside of the records left by the first colonists. I might not agree with that argument but since this is the era of heavy Vulcan interference in human exploration and other affairs I could see it being presented as a reason to leave the Novans alone without modern technology and knowledge that could upturn their entire society.

To the extent one existed.

 

[Campe]

^^^
Obviously, you've never been married long (or at all.)

Two and a half years. So not really a long time, no.

 

[Doc Mugatu]

One of the trepidations I had regarding Star Trek Discovery stemmed from an early story I had read regarding the productions attitude towards religion in this new incarnation. The story, as I recall it, had to do with an actor wanting to say something along the lines of "What in God's name?" Then being corrected by the director that would, in effect, not be in their vocabulary because basically in the Trek future it is all considered superstition implying the 23rd century is atheistic. Which is factually wrong as The Original Series alone is filled with Judeo-Christian references. So it had me feeling this series was going to be militantly anti-theistic - which is, in part, why I delayed watching DISCO for so long. I treated it like a Schroedinger's cat scenario.

So it was with great interest I watched the episode "New Eden" (S2E2) to see what this productions editorial view towards religion was going to be. I was very pleased with their handling. Jonathon Frakes direction was respectful and tempered. I appreciate that.

I did feel Pike's logic was a bit off in treating them as pre-warp society. I am about to re-watch this episode, however, advanced technology was not unknown to them nor did they seem to view technology as heretical. Their only reason for not using or embracing it was primarily because they couldn't rig a power source to run it. Pike should have treated the people as survivors of a shipwreck.

I thought the final scene between Captain Pike and Jacob was wonderful. My favorite episode so far this season.