*sigh* am I going to have to explain the joke, therefore ruining it?
Hint: I fucking love Discovery!
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x15 - "Will You Take My Hand?"
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Hint: I fucking love Discovery!
I don't see them as mistakes. This is who the Federation is: a society that cares more about morality and excellence than protocol and revenge/punishment.
The mistake was the life sentence, not the removal of it.
especially since she was comitted for a crime she technically didn't commit
Dark energy is a real thing. Well, it's considered real by physicists anyway, which means it's plausible to use in technobabble. Much like time crystals are a real thing (even if Discovery misused them).
The life sentence was a contrivance that made no sense in the context of this story and the way it was being told - remember, they took a guy who supposedly killed his own crew while escaping from his ship, and put him in charge of what was arguably the most important ship in the entire war effort, with no other backstory or real suggestion that he was an officer with an otherwise remarkable career to justify it.
The life sentence story line looks like something grafted on to a late rewrite/restructuring of the pilot. Either that, or the original story of Burnham's mutiny was mucked around with in order to make her less directly culpable for provoking the war. Perhaps Fuller's version had required her to fuck up in a truly magnificent way.
The life sentence story line looks like something grafted on to a late rewrite/restructuring of the pilot. Either that, or the original story of Burnham's mutiny was mucked around with in order to make her less directly culpable for provoking the war. Perhaps Fuller's version had required her to fuck up in a truly magnificent way.
The life sentence story line looks like something grafted on to a late rewrite/restructuring of the pilot. Either that, or the original story of Burnham's mutiny was mucked around with in order to make her less directly culpable for provoking the war. Perhaps Fuller's version had required her to fuck up in a truly magnificent way.
That's my interpretation of what happened. Fuller wanted her to literally fuck everything up - perhaps by deliberately killing the torchbearer, actually gaining control of the Shenzhou, firing first, and having the war being directly her fault. This was walked back by Goldman and Kurtzman, who were worried about having a protagonist who was so clearly in the wrong. So the prologue ended up in a strange in-between place. The war wasn't her fault, but she was blamed for it. Worse, the story seemed to imply that if everyone had just listened to her in the first place, none of this would have happened. That is to say, we're shown that the Federation tactic of continually demanding peaceful negotiations is what caused the Klingons to attack, whereas Burnham's "Vulcan hello" might have worked.
This framing particularly makes no sense because at the end of the season, Burnham learns that her initial fear and hatred towards Klingons is a bad thing. Yet it wasn't her fear and hatred that caused the war. It only caused her career to ruined - temporarily.
Forget my troubles, I'm more wondering how you determined that it's "literally unwatchable" without having watched it!
One day I will learn to use the /s (for sarcasm) indicator.
No worries of course. "Literally" is literally overused! A pet peeve!
You think?
I had hoped that would be a clue.
(p.s. full disclosure: it's a goof from the fan community for Youtube gamers Game Grumps in which one of the hosts will occasionally decry a game as "literally unplayable" because of stupid shit)
I had hoped that would be a clue.
(p.s. full disclosure: it's a goof from the fan community for Youtube gamers Game Grumps in which one of the hosts will occasionally decry a game as "literally unplayable" because of stupid shit)
Well, I got it was a joke. But, I didn't know the source! Thanks!
Kind of random, but I was thinking today about the finale and thought that L'Rell being given the detonator for the bomb could be a statement about every civilization having the power to destroy themselves in their own hands, speaking to the current political climate.
Not sure if I'm giving the writers more credit than they deserve or if I was dense and just realized it and everyone else had already thought that (too many pages to see if it has been brought up).
Not sure if I'm giving the writers more credit than they deserve or if I was dense and just realized it and everyone else had already thought that (too many pages to see if it has been brought up).
I think this episode will fuel more and more arguments in the following weeks, but I still am not sure what score should I give it. I only know for sure that the last time I really liked the show was The Vaulting Ambition.This episode was the ultimate ending of season one, yet, except the start and the end, it didn´t seem to know what it is about, becouse too much time was lost on Orion district of Qo´nos which looked like a cross between Blade Runner and every space opera wretched hive of crime ever. Though I admit that it was kinda funny and my dad will be pleased, becouse since Discovery started, he expects lesbians.
I guess writers wanted very non-traditional ending, becouse until now, arc closers consisted from the deaths of mini-bosses: T´Kuvma, Kol and Lorca. So we were supposed to be surprised by the fact that diplomacy trumps all, Mirror Georgiou lives, L´Rell becomes head of the unified Klingon Empire and war is over (until some Klingon will ask how L´Rell got her hands on Federation manufactured hydro bomb, maybe). However, Mirror Georgiou and L´Rell are pretty simplistic characters, so I don´t care how much they influenced the final arc. On the top of that, these solutions went kinda against their characters and it was mostly boring, not monumental, so that´s where the accusation of anti-climax comes from. Just as the opening two-part seemed to be shoddy, so did this one.
And now to some very pointless nitpicking, MU staff is all over the place. Klingons were said to be subjugated so much that they are not even allowed to have language of their own, but now it seems they were not conquered until Georgiou came along. Unless she was speaking about supressing the rebellion, of course.
I guess writers wanted very non-traditional ending, becouse until now, arc closers consisted from the deaths of mini-bosses: T´Kuvma, Kol and Lorca. So we were supposed to be surprised by the fact that diplomacy trumps all, Mirror Georgiou lives, L´Rell becomes head of the unified Klingon Empire and war is over (until some Klingon will ask how L´Rell got her hands on Federation manufactured hydro bomb, maybe). However, Mirror Georgiou and L´Rell are pretty simplistic characters, so I don´t care how much they influenced the final arc. On the top of that, these solutions went kinda against their characters and it was mostly boring, not monumental, so that´s where the accusation of anti-climax comes from. Just as the opening two-part seemed to be shoddy, so did this one.
And now to some very pointless nitpicking, MU staff is all over the place. Klingons were said to be subjugated so much that they are not even allowed to have language of their own, but now it seems they were not conquered until Georgiou came along. Unless she was speaking about supressing the rebellion, of course.
The only part I didn't like was letting MU Georgiou go. There's got to be some real danger that she will attempt to pose as her own counterpart. I can only hope that Starfleet's put out some kind of all-points bulletin so that everyone will know...
Are you suggesting she won't respect the fact that the MU is classified info?
That would be treason!
ATTENTION ALL STARFLEET PERSONELL:
Evil doppelganger on the loose!
A [redacted] from another [redacted] is posing as Captain Philippa Georgiou. While she is free to do whatever wants, because she [redacted][redatcted] when we [redacted] and [redacted], she might want to [redacted] to return to [redacted] where she originally was [redacted] of the [redacted]. Please be cautious
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