Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x13 - "What's Past Is Prologue"

[Jadeb]

Many people accused of war crimes refuse to recognize the authority of the court to convict them. They get convicted anyway.

There's a danger to extending the standards of today too far, especially when it comes to things like jurisdictional standing.

 

[Krandor]

Georgiou committed horrible acts in her own universe, yes. But the Federation has no jurisdiction there. They would have no legal standing to imprison her.

If anything, she is a prisoner of war, and thus must be accorded the same rights as any POW would - which, in her case, means she must be returned to the mirror universe posthaste.

POW, enemy combatant... doesn't matter what you call it. She needs to be locked up.

 

[Nyotarules]

Cadet Tilly deserves a promotion to Captain, if Kirk can be leapfrogged so can she.

P.S watching it again, Michelle Yeoh's fight scenes are brilliant!

oh hail Admiral Saru!

 

[AlanC9]

Good piece.

I like VanDerWerff's work, not least because he acknowledges the greatness that is Legends of Tomorrow.

 

[Paradise City]

She won't be done for "war crimes". The Feds are at their wits end, Georgiou is gonna be drafted in as the evil genius there to direct a counterstrike. She'll butt heads with Sarek n' stuff.

It'll be an interstellar version of Operation PaperClip. Drafting and repivoting dodgy MU people to fight against the Klingons.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Georgiou committed horrible acts in her own universe, yes. But the Federation has no jurisdiction there. They would have no legal standing to imprison her.

If anything, she is a prisoner of war, and thus must be accorded the same rights as any POW would - which, in her case, means she must be returned to the mirror universe posthaste.

I don't think it's safe to assume justice and jurisdiction in the future works exactly as it does here.

Genocide is genocide in any universe. And I am more willing to believe that pragmatism would recognize that in the future.

 

[Captain Killy]

POW, enemy combatant... doesn't matter what you call it. She needs to be locked up.

The Federation is not at war with the Terran Empire. Emperor Georgiou has commited no act of violence against the Federation and in fact is there against her will. So you could say it’s Starfleet that’s committed the crime here. Regardless, there is absolutely no legal justification for locking her up in a jail cell.

I’m not saying she ain’t dangerous. She’s extremely dangerous. But throwing her into a dark pit and losing the key is hardly the answer here.

 

[AlanC9]

So?

you don't need to have committed a crime to be confined to a brig on a ship. You're fighting a war, in a sensitive situation, lacking in resources.... yeah you throw the untrustworthy genocidal lunatic in the brig.

I'm pretty sure even in the future, what she's done in the MU could easily be considered a crime, im sure especially in the future there would be some concept akin to human rights.

She's the kinda person you lock up unless you want to, and have the ability to send her back.

It's unlikely that you could keep her locked up forever without a trial, though. We do that sort of thing, but does the Federation? Can't even claim that she's an enemy of the Federation except in a thought-crime sense.

It'd be an interesting trial. I suppose the Klingon logs on Terran Empire history could be entered as evidence, and the Discovery crew did see her ship pulverize that rebel planet.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

It's unlikely that you could keep her locked up forever without a trial, though. We do that sort of thing, but does the Federation? Can't even claim that she's an enemy of the Federation except in a thought-crime sense.

It'd be an interesting trial. I supposed the Klingon logs on Terran Empire history could be entered as evidence.

Certainly not indefinately but I'm not sure what ports exist with the federation in this condition.

It would be prudent to do so for a fairly extended period of time.

 

[Nyotarules]

It's 50-50 shot whether that little green spore that landed on Tilly's shoulder is a spiritual embodiment of Lorca or Culber. Season 2...

Will it turn her into Cadet Killy?

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Will it turn her into Cadet Killy?

I hope so.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Unfortunately it doesn't look like there's an easy way to return the Empress to her own universe.

The ISS Discovery is clearly not an option. Either the USS Discovery's use of the spore drive DID swap the two versions of the ship (in which case, the Imperial version is now back in its own universe), or it did not (which would mean it never left that universe). So unless there's a convenient ion storm just waiting to be found...

 

[Nyotarules]

i wonder too. I think they will explain how klingons managed to win the war while PU Disco was away. If i recall correctly, before they ended up in MU, they turned the tide of the war in favor of Federation. Even without Disco around, how did Federation lose so fast in just 9 months.

Tribbles

 

[137th Gebirg]

...Or lack thereof

 

[Krandor]

The Federation is not at war with the Terran Empire. Emperor Georgiou has commited no act of violence against the Federation .

Actually she fired on discovery after she knew it was not her discovery so actually yes she did commit violence against the federation.

Either way somebody like that you find a way to lock them up for the safety of everybody.

 

[eschaton]

Tribbles

I had a silly theory near the start of the series that the Discovery was going to genetically modify the Tribbles to boost their reproductive cycle and then drop them on Qo'Nos.

 

[SJGardner]

...Or lack thereof

Maybe they'll realize Tribbles can breed extra fast when being fed Discovery's mushroom supplies and they'll just start beaming dozens of well-fed, ready-to-breed hairballs onto any Klingon ship they can found.

 

[Krandor]

Maybe they'll realize Tribbles can breed extra fast when being fed Discovery's mushroom supplies and they'll just start beaming dozens of well-fed, ready-to-breed hairballs onto any Klingon ship they can found.

Tribbles as the new spore drive navigator. Infinite supply.

 

[gblews]

I don't see how that applies. Burnham callously killed a lot of people while in the MU. Why "should" she save one while not the others?

Burnham was fighting for her life so the deaths were collateral damage.

As for Burnham's personality, I think it's quite simply a case of SM-G having been told to act like a desperate and confused wannabe Vulcan. And that's what she's doing, to the hilt. She's a half-baked personality not because of half-baked acting but because that's what the character is supposed to be like.

Agree.

I imagine a good reason for it was Disco popped over to the MU before they had a chance to send Starfleet the intel on the Klingon cloak, which was expected to be a key factor in their victory.

Maybe this is one of the reasons we see Sarek, in the previews for next week, appearing about to perform what appears to be a mandatory mind meld on Discovery crew. Perhaps Cornwell is looking to make sure that this is the real Discovery crew and not the MU version. Just speculating here, could be completely off.

 

[seigezunt]

I will pay cash money out of my pocket right now for an awkward dinner scene that includes Saru, Burnham, Emperor Georgiou and the two Klingons. Cash money, right now. Let's go, let's do this.