Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x13 - "What's Past Is Prologue"

[Captain Killy]

Should they trust her? Hell, no. Should they ever give her any position of authority? Hell, no. Should they keep her on a tight leash? Hell, yes. But, as of right now, they have zero standing to impose actual penalty for anything. She hasn't committed any crimes in their universe.

This. Technically she’s a disposed head-of-state in exile, so diplomatic niceties and all that. They can’t lock her in the brig as she’s committed no crime. OTOH, they can’t let her run around free because, well, evil. But what they can do is listen to her. One of her titles is Dominus of Kronos. The Terrans defeated the Klingons. She knows how to fight them and beat them. Of course Starfleet being Starfleet can’t go to the extremes the Terrans did to conquer the Klingons, but the Emperor can still provide excellent tactical advise.

The biggest question remains however, what’s going to happen to her? I suspect personally, that they’ll use her presence to make the ISS Discovery stand down. At some point The Emperor will beam over to the ISS Discovery where she, Captain Killy and the rest of the Mirror Discovery crew will jump back to the MU. The Emperor having been inspired, however slightly, by the Federation will begin to take back her throne and initiate reforms which will result in Mirror Spock being able to join the Imperial Starfleet and eventually rise to become second officer of the ISS Enterprise.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

This. Technically she’s a disposed head-of-state in exile, so diplomatic niceties and all that. They can’t lock her in the brig as she’s committed no crime. OTOH, they can’t let her run around free because, well, evil. But what they can do is listen to her. One of her titles is Dominus of Kronos. The Terrans defeated the Klingons. She knows how to fight them and beat them. Of course Starfleet being Starfleet can’t go to the extremes the Terrans did to conquer the Klingons, but the Emperor can still provide excellent tactical advise.

The biggest question remains however, what’s going to happen to her? I suspect personally, that they’ll use her presence to make the ISS Discovery stand down. At some point The Emperor will beam over to the ISS Discovery where she, Captain Killy and the rest of the Mirror Discovery crew will jump back to the MU. The Emperor having been inspired, however slightly, by the Federation will begin to take back her throne and initiate reforms which will result in Mirror Spock being able to join the Imperial Starfleet and eventually rise to become second officer of the ISS Enterprise.

So the genocidal mass murder gets the steven Spielberg everything is ok ending?

I hate those, so much. It'd be like Hitler turning around and fighting Nazism and it's all cool, or Vader killing the Emperor and everyone forgetting that he is a genocidal and murderous jerkwad. Or everyone giving Wandu a post death parade at the end of GOTG 2 even though he was a child trafficker

 

[Captain Killy]

Why do I see her walking off with some folks wearing those black badges, at the end of the season.

Look as much as I’m loving Emperor Georgiou (and I totally am) she can’t stay in the Prime Universe. She is not the type of person who is going to settle peacefully into retirement and raise Koi Fish. She is just too dangerous. She either has to return to her Universe or go out in a blaze of glory so big it makes the Hobus event look like a campfire by comparison.

 

[Captain Killy]

If you want to save her because you are good and don't want people to die then sure. However, the second you are back on your ship you call security and throw her in the brig.

On what charge? She’s committed no crime.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

On what charge? She’s committed no crime.

So?

you don't need to have committed a crime to be confined to a brig on a ship. You're fighting a war, in a sensitive situation, lacking in resources.... yeah you throw the untrustworthy genocidal lunatic in the brig.

I'm pretty sure even in the future, what she's done in the MU could easily be considered a crime, im sure especially in the future there would be some concept akin to human rights.

She's the kinda person you lock up unless you want to, and have the ability to send her back.

 

[Lonemagpie]

It's also possible that PU lorca wasn't on the table but that popularity has spurred them to bring him into season 2, it's also possible that was the plan all along, I find it hard to believe there is no more Jason Isaacs.

I think they will bring him back.

I hope so- it wouldn't be the first time that characters got a return because they were fan favourites.

 

[Gonzo]

It's also possible that PU lorca wasn't on the table but that popularity has spurred them to bring him into season 2, it's also possible that was the plan all along, I find it hard to believe there is no more Jason Isaacs.

I think they will bring him back.

Depends on his contract, we don't know how long it is, he may have only been willing to sign for a single season and they scripted accordingly, perhaps we will see the prime Lorca if some kind of temporal macguffin is used.

 

[Jadeb]

I'd like to see more of him, too. But, looking at it from his perspective, that seems like a tough gig with a lot of potential pitfalls. How do you make "vanilla" Lorca as interesting and compelling as Mirror Lorca without repeating yourself?

I hope it's a challenge he finds intriguing, but I'm guessing he's done.

 

[Captain Killy]

So the genocidal mass murder gets the steven Spielberg everything is ok ending?

I hate those, so much. It'd be like Hitler turning around and fighting Nazism and it's all cool, or Vader killing the Emperor and everyone forgetting that he is a genocidal and murderous jerkwad. Or everyone giving Wandu a post death parade at the end of GOTG 2 even though he was a child trafficker

Well as it stands currently with the MU, there is no way a Vulcan could rise to become 1st Officer of the Empire’s most important warship. So if the events in Mirror Mirror are to play out the way they did, changes have to be made. Emperor Georgiou is about to get a crash course in multi-cultural cooperation and what happens when worlds work together in addition to much speechifying from her kinda/sorta, but not really daughter. So who better to initiate those changes?

But ultimately, one way or the other, she can’t stay in the PU. That’s a disaster just waiting to happen.

 

[Worf2DS9]

Wow!! Loved it....10/10 from me. Also glad to see Detmer and Airiam get some screen time.

Yes! And Owosekun too -- both Prime and Mirror versions. I also loved seeing more with Airiam, who's the bridge officer I'm most intrigued with -- I think she had more dialogue in this episode alone than she has the entire season!

So is the Mirror Discovery the reason the Feds lost? They sided with the Klingons against them or something?

I imagine a good reason for it was Disco popped over to the MU before they had a chance to send Starfleet the intel on the Klingon cloak, which was expected to be a key factor in their victory.

So is mirror Georgiou going to be the Discovery captain in season 2?

I don't see how this could ever be likely, as she's not a member of Starfleet and certainly wouldn't be trusted in such a position. Since Burnham snatched her away from going out in a blaze of glory on her own terms, I suspect she'll end up finding away to do just that in the finale -- sacrificing herself in some way to save Burnham or something like that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Saying an Ion storm did it, kinda infers that the Lorcas switched, just like the landing party from Mirror Mirror did.

 

[eschaton]

Saying an Ion storm did it, kinda infers that the Lorcas switched, just like the landing party from Mirror Mirror did.

The thing is, MU Lorca and PU Lorca both had to be being beamed somewhere at the time right? But they didn't have to both be beamed back to their ships. Maybe they were being beamed somewhere else. It would explain why MU Lorca survived - he didn't end up on the USS Buran, but somewhere his counterpart was trying to go, and then got to watch the USS Buran blow up. The same process could have happened in the mirrorverse as well.

If MU Lorca simply swapped ships with PU Lorca (who then vanished to the Mirrorverse), I do not believe he would have blown up the USS Buran on purpose. He would attempt to pass himself off as the real deal. After all, he had no way of knowing Starfleet would give him a second ship.

 

[Paradise City]

Georgiou was as happy as a clam with her last stand. Then Burnham rescues her. That does nuthin' but *kill* Georgiou as she is now a powerfless fish out of water under a system she finds repulsive. I suppose that speaks to how Burnham is still all hung up over PU Georgiou's death

Georgiou and Saru will have a funny relationship. Like ALF and the pet cat. Is he a potential dinner or is he the captain?

I was actually looking forward to Lorca battling with Discovery over a few episodes trying to get under their skin. That he got run through was more of a damp squib for me than anything unexpected or interesting.

I won't lie. These are not plot turns I find favourable. But, I shall, nevertheless, look forward to the next installment.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Depends on his contract, we don't know how long it is, he may have only been willing to sign for a single season and they scripted accordingly, perhaps we will see the prime Lorca if some kind of temporal macguffin is used.

If Lorca Prime is still alive, I imagine some tense and awkward situations are in order if he turns up on the Discovery...

"That's weird. Why is everybody pointing phaser rifles at me?"

 

[saladdays]

So the genocidal mass murder gets the steven Spielberg everything is ok ending?

Who said it was OK?

 

[Lonemagpie]

Well as it stands currently with the MU, there is no way a Vulcan could rise to become 1st Officer of the Empire’s most important warship. So if the events in Mirror Mirror are to play out the way they did, changes have to be made. Emperor Georgiou is about to get a crash course in multi-cultural cooperation and what happens when worlds work together in addition to much speechifying from her kinda/sorta, but not really daughter.

Interestingly (and I only noticed this on second viewing) when Lorca makes his broadcast to the ISS Charon crew, he mentions that Empress Georgiou allowed aliens to make settlements in what used to be Imperial territory- this could just be whipping up the rabble with xenophobia, or could be a sign that actually she does has a more inclusive side.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Yes! And Owosekun too -- both Prime and Mirror versions. I also loved seeing more with Airiam, who's the bridge officer I'm most intrigued with -- I think she had more dialogue in this episode alone than she has the entire season!


I imagine a good reason for it was Disco popped over to the MU before they had a chance to send Starfleet the intel on the Klingon cloak, which was expected to be a key factor in their victory.

I'd forgotten about that info - I wonder how many viewers will remember. Or TPTB.

 

[Krandor]

On what charge? She’s committed no crime.

I think enemy of the state. She is a danger to have walking around free and she has committed a bunch of atrosities in her universe. She can't be anywhere but in the brig.

 

[Krandor]

Interestingly (and I only noticed this on second viewing) when Lorca makes his broadcast to the ISS Charon crew, he mentions that Empress Georgiou allowed aliens to make settlements in what used to be Imperial territory- this could just be whipping up the rabble with xenophobia, or could be a sign that actually she does has a more inclusive side.

How big of her.

Honestly, I think that comment was there to try to draw parralels to Israel/Palestine

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I think enemy of the state. She is a danger to have walking around free and she has committed a bunch of atrosities in her universe. She can't be anywhere but in the brig.

Georgiou committed horrible acts in her own universe, yes. But the Federation has no jurisdiction there. They would have no legal standing to imprison her.

If anything, she is a prisoner of war, and thus must be accorded the same rights as any POW would - which, in her case, means she must be returned to the mirror universe posthaste.