Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x13 - "What's Past Is Prologue"

[XCV330]

Right...my thoughts exactly. It doesn't mean that they've gotten entrenched and fully enslaved / subjugated 20% of the Federation's worlds. It just means that militarily, they have control over those sectors or whatever.

I got that feeling. The way achieving air superiority does not mean you've got boots on the ground yet.

 

[Boomer359]

That was the Franz Joseph theory, and is certainly prevalent in fandom.

The Klingon neutral zone is only something that exists in the films, and it's implied it's dismantled following the Khitomer treaty in Star Trek VI.

Figures. Every time I think I know something about Trek but can't point to an episode, it ends up being Franz Joseph.

 

[Vger23]

This episode really nailed it for me. Discovery has been fun for me because of how much it isn't really a Star Trek show in the traditional sense, but a great sci-fi action show against a Star Trek backdrop... I've had a lifetime of episodes where we find out that right is right and wrong is wrong with the 'today I learned' at the end. If I want that again, I can go watch those episodes. What Discovery provides is a fun, clean looking sci-fi series that keeps the philosophy alive but isn't about the philosophy, which I'm super okay with.

Yes. That is correct, sir.

 

[Tomalak]

Right...my thoughts exactly. It doesn't mean that they've gotten entrenched and fully enslaved / subjugated 20% of the Federation's worlds. It just means that militarily, they have control over those sectors or whatever.

Most of the Federation colonies we see in TOS are pretty small - it wouldn't be particularly difficult for the Klingons to send a ship to orbit each one and send a few dozen soldiers down to take control of the civilian government, like we see them do in Errand of Mercy. Federation stations like K7 would also be pretty easy to take over.

 

[Vger23]

Well, I've often said that I don't like Discovery as a whole, but I would be an idiot if I wouldn't admit that I liked this episode.
Something about it reminds me of old Star Trek. Inspirational speeches, becoming "friends" with those who were your enemies yesterday, seeing the crew work together for the first time... This is the first time I've seen some members of the crew and heard them talk. I certainly hope this will continue. I hope that bad relationships between crew members were because of Lorca.

I am hoping the Discovery will end the war in non violent way.

Ted Sullivan was on After Trek and said that the season was all a set-up for these types of pay-offs.

Jason Isaacs said the show "intentionally hasn't felt like Star Trek" because Lorca's been there screwing it up.

I think you will continue to be pleased if those two things are true!

 

[Vger23]

Most of the Federation colonies we see in TOS are pretty small - it wouldn't be particularly difficult for the Klingons to send a ship to orbit each one and send a few dozen soldiers down to take control of the civilian government, like we see them do in Errand of Mercy. Federation stations like K7 would also be pretty easy to take over.

Totally agree...I just meant that it doesn't necessarily mean that Andor and Vulcan or whatever other full member worlds with billions of people on them have been conquered and subjugated.

I believe you are probably correct, though...there are likely outposts, colonies, and stations that have fallen. Maybe even the Archanis IV Research Outpost is among them.

AGHGHGHGHGH!!! COSSACKS!!!! YOU KEEL MY BROTHER PIOTR!!!!

 

[chopperjockey]

I would like to have given 10 but I decided to only give 2 because of all the shakycam sequences in this episode. Gave me a headache trying to watch it. Please please let's not keep shaking the dam camera unnecessarily! The camera isn't in the story so why shake it?

 

[Booji]

Question: is prime universe Lorca alive? I don't remember any mention one way or another

 

[GhostLoveScore]

Ted Sullivan was on After Trek and said that the season was all a set-up for these types of pay-offs.

Jason Isaacs said the show "intentionally hasn't felt like Star Trek" because Lorca's been there screwing it up.

I think you will continue to be pleased if those two things are true!

I have't seen After Trek but I will be really pleased if that was the case. For the first time I am looking forward for the next episode.

 

[XCV330]

Question: is prime universe Lorca alive? I don't remember any mention one way or another

I don't think that's been shown one way or another. The way Lorca crossed was a teleporter-ion storm thing as happened with TOS, so if it worked the same way, Prime Loca would be trapped over there, unless in the last 9 months he found his own way back, Not impossible, he's probably pretty crafty in any universe.


edited to add: Wiseman in her interview specifically said "Mirror Lorca" which implied she might have given something away.

 

[Vger23]

Question: is prime universe Lorca alive? I don't remember any mention one way or another

I don't know...I assumed he may have been transposed with MU Lorca just as the ISS Buran was getting blown to bits, and was therefore killed. That's how it happened in TOS. It took transporters being activated at the same time in both universes with the ion storm there to facilitate the crossover.

I hope he is not. I'd love to see Lorca again.

 

[Booji]

Xcv & vger: thank you!

 

[Tomalak]

Yeah the assumption is that he's dead, but I have a hard time believing that Lorca and Burnham's counterparts aren't going to show up.

 

[Vger23]

I would like to have given 10 but I decided to only give 2 because of all the shakycam sequences in this episode. Gave me a headache trying to watch it. Please please let's not keep shaking the dam camera unnecessarily! The camera isn't in the story so why shake it?

A 10 went to a 2 all because of shaky cam?

Bro....that's harsh.

 

[Visitor1982]

I don't think that's been shown one way or another. The way Lorca crossed was a teleporter-ion storm thing as happened with TOS, so if it worked the same way, Prime Loca would be trapped over there, unless in the last 9 months he found his own way back, Not impossible, he's probably pretty crafty in any universe.


edited to add: Wiseman in her interview specifically said "Mirror Lorca" which implied she might have given something away.

What interview with Wiseman?

 

[Cox of Seagulls]

Anyone else notice how much Lorca sounded like a tie fighter as he disintegrated?

 

[XCV330]

What interview with Wiseman?

http://www.tvguide.com/news/star-trek-discovery-mary-wiseman-lorca-reveal/

"my reaction when I found out lorca was mirror lorca"
in retrospect it's not much to go off of

 

[guyute03]

Rest In Peace, Mirror Universe Gabriel Lorca, Space Asshole.

 

[Gilora]

Yeah, I was thinking it might be something purposeful like that too, rather than simply a comms failure due to losing vast amounts of territory in the war. Maybe Starfleet deliberately didn't answer their hails because the ISS Discovery has been running around wreaking havoc on the Prime Starfleet for the past nine months and now Starfleet isn't sure what to make of this Discovery's hail just yet.

This reminds me that Discovery probably still has ISS Discovery painted on its hull.

 

[Amaris]

Except that having the damaged Mycellian network end all life in the entire multiverse is utterly implausible even by Trek standards.

No it isn't, not by a long shot. The Mycelial network, at least in Star Trek, is the connective tissue that exists inside of and between universes. It would be akin to the central nervous system in the human body. If it is true that multiple universes touch one another, and that is a current scientific theory finding a great deal of merit, then it would make sense that futzing around with the connective tissue of those multiverses might very well end all life between them.

Honestly, I'm sure people can find things to dislike about DSC, but this actually isn't one of them. The foundation of scientific theory on this show, while bent and stretched for dramatic purposes, is a lot stronger than previous series. They've actually gone and done real science to use for how everything works.

My sources:
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/421999/astronomers-find-first-evidence-of-other-universes/
http://earthsky.org/space/bumping-up-against-a-parallel-universe
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141111-plants-have-a-hidden-internet
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-largest-organism-is-fungus/