Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x13 - "What's Past Is Prologue"

[Lord Garth]

In "Errand of Mercy" the Klingons and the Federation are still fighting over disputed territories. Oh wait, Kor disagrees with me. Kor, would you mind repeating for us what you said in that episode? Thanks!

"They're not disputed! They're clearly ours!"

Got it.

 

[XCV330]

in the Commissioner's Trophy,

ok that's the best thing I've read today, anywhere. I will never rewatch this the same way again.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

That was absolutely fantastic. While I was hoping that Lorca might be a complicated anti-hero, Isaacs played mustache twirling racist villain so brilliantly I instantly forgave it. And that hallway phaser fight? It's as if someone sifted through every 'Why didn't they just do this -' comment we've ever had about goofy ass phaser fights over the last 50 years and built this sequence to satisfy those complaints.

This episode really nailed it for me. Discovery has been fun for me because of how much it isn't really a Star Trek show in the traditional sense, but a great sci-fi action show against a Star Trek backdrop... I've had a lifetime of episodes where we find out that right is right and wrong is wrong with the 'today I learned' at the end. If I want that again, I can go watch those episodes. What Discovery provides is a fun, clean looking sci-fi series that keeps the philosophy alive but isn't about the philosophy, which I'm super okay with. And it was awesome to see the crew working together without Michael or Lorca around, and we are finally seeing the rest of what I assume is the senior staff get some lines in! I'm really hoping that in future episodes we see them take on bigger roles in the story.

That being said, it's actually kind of fitting that none of the senior staff were really present throughout the story. Lorca was probably running the ship very differently than a standard Trek captain, marginalizing most people and trying to keep a his cover safe. I bet all his senior officers felt like well paid nom-coms. I can only hope things will change now that he's out of the picture.

 

[Bandini]

By dropping in the mycelian matrix, could Lorca become some kind of Q ... ??

 

[XCV330]

Especially T'Pol.

T'Pol smells like quarantine gel and regret.

 

[Boomer359]

In "Errand of Mercy" the Klingons and the Federation are still fighting over disputed territories. Oh wait, Kor disagrees with me. Kor, would you mind repeating for us what you said in that episode? Thanks!

"They're not disputed! They're clearly ours!"

And the two sides went back to war over them and Organia, if only briefly.

Hey, now that I'm thinking about it, is the peace treaty forced by the Organians the genesis of the Klingon Neutral Zone?

 

[eschaton]

T'Pol smells like quarantine gel and regret.

Not condescension?

 

[GeekUSACarl]

I personally thought the fight scenes were some of the best choreographed in all of Trek.

Yeah I loved how the scenes weren't like, ninja slick too. Lorca don't know how to use a fkn sword, dude is throwing it around like a bat. Landry fought like a soldier, Georgeyo and Burnham obviously have martial arts training but it looked more rough and realistic.

So these so-called allegations that this scene was some secret leftist plot to universally emasculate all white men, IMO, simply do not hold water. And those here who know me know I don't say such things idly.

I don't even know where this comes from, at all. There is no feminist or antimasculine undertones going on to even establish the proper context under which a man being defeated is some social statement of any kind. The bad guy lost, and the relationship being capitalized on was between a mother - daughter figure.

It'd be like claiming luke and vader killing the emperor was some statement against the elderly.

 

[Tomalak]

And the two sides went back to war over them and Organia, if only briefly.

Hey, now that I'm thinking about it, is the peace treaty forced by the Organians the genesis of the Klingon Neutral Zone?

That was the Franz Joseph theory, and is certainly prevalent in fandom.

The Klingon neutral zone is only something that exists in the films, and it's implied it's dismantled following the Khitomer treaty in Star Trek VI.

 

[137th Gebirg]

ok that's the best thing I've read today, anywhere. I will never rewatch this the same way again.

I can't take full credit for it - I read it somewhere and it stuck with me, but can't remember the exact location. IIRC, that "standing throne" was actually said to have been inspired by the Bund Finance Center in Shanghai. Yep, I can see it.

 

[Gilora]

It'll be interesting to see how he reacts to Mirror Georgiou.

And how she reacts to him. From her perspective, she will be taking orders from livestock.

 

[XCV330]

Yeah I loved how the scenes weren't like, ninja slick too. Lorca don't know how to use a fkn sword, dude is throwing it around like a bat. Landry fought like a soldier, Georgeyo and Burnham obviously have martial arts training but it looked more rough and realistic.



I don't even know where this comes from, at all. There is no feminist or antimasculine undertones going on to even establish the proper context under which a man being defeated is some social statement of any kind. The bad guy lost, and the relationship being capitalized on was between a mother - daughter figure.

It'd be like claiming luke and vader killing the emperor was some statement against the elderly.

I'd like to see a herd of Kelpian Kommandos kicking everyone like mules.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

I'd like to see a herd of Kelpian Kommandos kicking everyone like mules.

Kelpian Commandos? You mean.... DINNER?

 

[137th Gebirg]

I'd like to see a herd of Kelpian Kommandos kicking everyone like mules.

The Kelpians do have a staggering amount of advanced survival abilities. I want to see what their predators look like to have forced the Kelpians to evolve such amazing abilities and why haven't THEY invaded the Federation? Are the called Kelpians too, if they're from the same world?

 

[dahj]

Kelpian Commandos? You mean.... DINNER?

No, it's Kelpians without pants, innit?

 

[XCV330]

The Kelpians do have a staggering amount of advanced survival abilities. I want to see what their predators look like to have forced the Kelpians to evolve such amazing abilities and why haven't THEY invaded the Federation? Are the called Kelpians too, if they're from the same world?

 

[Boomer359]

Not condescension?

Is that not what condescension smells like to you?

 

[Vger23]

And the Cardassian War being mentioned that way was even more jarring since that was the first time we'd heard or seen that particular species. And we already know that there was years of conflict and problems stemming from the "disastrous" first contact with the Klingons.

We aren't really sure yet how the Klingons control that 20% of Federation space. It could simply be that they've cut off supply lines and/or access to those planets because they're just patrolling those areas. That's different from actively conquering planets and occupying them.

Right...my thoughts exactly. It doesn't mean that they've gotten entrenched and fully enslaved / subjugated 20% of the Federation's worlds. It just means that militarily, they have control over those sectors or whatever.

 

[GhostLoveScore]

Well, I've often said that I don't like Discovery as a whole, but I would be an idiot if I wouldn't admit that I liked this episode.
Something about it reminds me of old Star Trek. Inspirational speeches, becoming "friends" with those who were your enemies yesterday, seeing the crew work together for the first time... This is the first time I've seen some members of the crew and heard them talk. I certainly hope this will continue. I hope that bad relationships between crew members were because of Lorca.

I am hoping the Discovery will end the war in non violent way.

 

[ClintDagger]

That's how I remember it too. Once he got her penned in the Commissioner's Trophy, he did pretty much finally knock her out. His attention was fully focused on Burnham when Georgiou impaled him through the back with her sword. I personally thought the fight scenes were some of the best choreographed in all of Trek. No doubt Yeoh had a hand in how it all came together. I honestly felt Lorca did an arguably good job holding his own against Georgiou.

As for his not being as effective against Burnham, in AfterTrek Isaacs said that he specifically didn't want to hurt her, hence the order to his people that she was not to be touched. He was holding back and doing standard grappling techniques to try to neutralize her attacks - he wasn't trying to actually mess her up - he was trying to get her to join him.

So these so-called allegations that this scene was some secret leftist plot to universally emasculate all white men, IMO, simply do not hold water. And those here who know me know I don't say such things idly.

Bravo. Well said.